Food Banks Whats Going On?

[snipe]

I am a strong believer that our efforts should be put into helping mother and pre school children, as if children enter school behind their development stages, it is too late and they never catch up. The thing is, that type of intervention is expensive and the results come to fruition years later, so is not a priority.

Good point. It is expensive, if we keep having to look after/spend money on people who intend to live their life on benefits there will never be enough money to do this and brake the cycle.

 

[bluebell]

Much of recent (1960-2000s) growth of all peoples "standard of living" has been debt, and the ease of credit or been able to have "it all" with out having to pay up front? in fact much of modern ""consumerisum" is built on credit, debt " a "house of cards"

 

[Oldmacdonald]

What would be your solution ??? People are quick to criticise but don’t put forward how they would deal with the problem.
As we are seeing now the NHS is at breaking point, how can the country carry on when it is spending more than it earns.

There are plenty ways without resorting to mass sterilisation.

That creates a lot more problems than it deals with.
Sterilise a percentage if the population...? Who are you going to have working in the NHS 20 years later? Wiping your arse in your care home?

 

[borderterribles]

There are plenty ways without resorting to mass sterilisation.

That creates a lot more problems than it deals with.
Sterilise a percentage if the population...? Who are you going to have working in the NHS 20 years later? Wiping your arse in your care home?

I thought the suggestion was sterilise, not lobotomise? I don't advocate such a drastic measure but I am damn sure that breeding more isn't the answer. When it isn't uncommon to come across third generation unemployed families, then something needs to happen.

 

[yin ewe]

I thought the suggestion was sterilise, not lobotomise? I don't advocate such a drastic measure but I am damn sure that breeding more isn't the answer. When it isn't uncommon to come across third generation unemployed families, then something needs to happen.

The people who you're sterilising or their children aren't likely to be the ones wiping you're ar5e or working anywhere.
Mrs yin teaches in a roughish secondary school, not uncommon to have pupils now who have parents and grandparents that have never worked. Not much chance for the young uns.

 

[snipe]

There are plenty ways without resorting to mass sterilisation.

That creates a lot more problems than it deals with.
Sterilise a percentage if the population...? Who are you going to have working in the NHS 20 years later? Wiping your arse in your care home?

Like some else has put already. its not likely that the offspring of these people will be working.
can you give me some examples of the ideas you have to sort this problem out.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

The people who you're sterilising or their children aren't likely to be the ones wiping you're ar5e or working anywhere.
Mrs yin teaches in a roughish secondary school, not uncommon to have pupils now who have parents and grandparents that have never worked. Not much chance for the young uns.

so the need for intervention and support, when the next child is born.

 

[Courier]

The people who you're sterilising or their children aren't likely to be the ones wiping you're ar5e or working anywhere.
Mrs yin teaches in a roughish secondary school, not uncommon to have pupils now who have parents and grandparents that have never worked. Not much chance for the young uns.

My eldest daughter used to run a number of the “Sure Start” centres around the Sunderland area -they were abandoned to the god of cost saving just as they were beginning to do some good.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Like some else has put already. its not likely that the offspring of these people will be working.
can you give me some examples of the ideas you have to sort this problem out.

this book has some good ideas

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[Clive]

Like some else has put already. its not likely that the offspring of these people will be working.
can you give me some examples of the ideas you have to sort this problem out.

rather a generalisation ! some VERY successful individuals have come from very poor backgrounds

 

[Ffermer Bach]

My eldest daughter used to run a number of the “Sure Start” centres around the Sunderland area -they were abandoned to the god of cost saving just as they were beginning to do some good.

you know why, the results take years to work through the system, probably 12 or 14 years until the children leave school and become useful happy members of society. So no one notices if they are scrapped, but we will all notice in the end.

 

[Werzle]

Education is the key, and not just the kids

 

[grainboy]

Trouble is, a few missed generations in some places,

 

[Courier]

rather a generalisation ! some VERY successful individuals have come from very poor backgrounds

Education is the key, and not just the kids

Gotta teach folk how to learn from an early age ….

 

[som farmer]

Don't take this the wrong way but don't you have a farming business probably worth 7 figures?
If someone on a council estate was saying that they needed benefits but had a massive asset would we be slating them and saying they should sell the business?

asset rich, cash poor, is the usual description
l have paid my taxes, why should l give up, the entitlements l have paid for ?

we pay our NI contributions, to assist when we cannot work, or to pay our pensions, and treat us, when we are ill. The system is wide open to abuse, and having thought about it, and discussed it, basically, l am due it, so should take it.

From the press etc, we hear all about families that get a heap of things, from the 'social', having had a hard job to get a PIP payment, l decided to see what else l could get, more as a matter of interest, the answer was zero. And yet we still hear about families that get all sorts of things, how, no idea.

 

[JeepJeep]

asset rich, cash poor, is the usual description
l have paid my taxes, why should l give up, the entitlements l have paid for ?

we pay our NI contributions, to assist when we cannot work, or to pay our pensions, and treat us, when we are ill. The system is wide open to abuse, and having thought about it, and discussed it, basically, l am due it, so should take it.

From the press etc, we hear all about families that get a heap of things, from the 'social', having had a hard job to get a PIP payment, l decided to see what else l could get, more as a matter of interest, the answer was zero. And yet we still hear about families that get all sorts of things, how, no idea.

Take what you can a vast majority don't think twice.

 

[snipe]

rather a generalisation ! some VERY successful individuals have come from very poor backgrounds

Your right, and not everyone from a privileged/well off/ working class back ground will not end up on drug/benefits/food banks/criminal record, but you would have to go on past experience and likely hood of the out come.

 

[som farmer]

Take what you can a vast majority don't think twice.

l do feel a bit guilty, taking it though, feel l don't 'deserve it'. But everybody says l should.
It's the 'work' ethics we have had, all through our working lives, you have to 'earn' it.

pretty sure the guv relies on that 'ethics' to deter many from claiming it, and therefore reducing the amount paid out.
Which is so wrong, as it works against those genuine claimee's.

state pension on the other hand, is great, no guilty feelings there !

 

[JeepJeep]

I think some folk have no idea of the real goings on past their own nose..

 

[JeepJeep]

l do feel a bit guilty, taking it though, feel l don't 'deserve it'. But everybody says l should.
It's the 'work' ethics we have had, all through our working lives, you have to 'earn' it.

pretty sure the guv relies on that 'ethics' to deter many from claiming it, and therefore reducing the amount paid out.
Which is so wrong, as it works against those genuine claimee's.

state pension on the other hand, is great, no guilty feelings there !

I wouldn't think twice..

I've said for ages you're rewarded for having you're thumb stuck up the bum