German Covid 19 death rate

[wanton dwarf]

One of the things that stands out in the current figures is how the German death rate from Covid 19 is far lower than other countries.

I wondered if this was due to the use of Anti Virals or perhaps a lack of reporting maybe due to control of data or a language barrier.

Perhaps it is how this articles states .. German efficiency in actually testing members of the public at large .. thereby picking up more cases, whereas the UK is not testing the general public.

Why does Germany have so few coronavirus deaths?

Germany has more than 3,000 COVID-19 cases and six deaths so far. Much fewer in comparison to other affected countries.

www.euronews.com

 

[steveR]

Not sure how much creedence can be given to some of these figure right now. Every State is carrying out their testing differently now. Frequency and prioritising where to test.

The US figures especially are ropey from my understanding... Testing seems a Lottery.

I know of one instance locally in the UK of an elderly gentleman with what is probably pneumonia and at present, is hanging on. According to a family member, no CV19 test so far after a week, as the hospital seems to consider that they will carry out the same care whatever he has. Seems bizarre, in that he was at a wedding last w/e and I would have thought tracing was worth the effort still....

 

[wanton dwarf]

Not sure how much creedence can be given to some of these figure right now. Every state is carrying out their testing differently now. Frequency and prioritising where to test.

The US figures especially are ropey from my understanding... Testing seems a Lottery.

I know of one instance locally in the UK of an elderly gentleman with what is probably pneumonia and at present, is hanging on. According to a family member, no CV19 test so far after a week, as the hospital seems to consider that they will carry out the same care whatever he has. Seems bizarre, in that he was at a wedding last w/e and I would have thought tracing was worth the effort still....

It's also important to know if the disease mutates .. if the patient isn't tested then how will health professionals ever know and stop the source of another epidemic.

 

[MOG]

Check out the stats here:

COVID Live Update: 143,543,719 Cases and 3,057,546 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

The final column is the interesting one.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Check out the stats here:

COVID Live Update: 143,543,719 Cases and 3,057,546 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

The final column is the interesting one.

Been using it for a long time to track what's going on .. has good news sources as well.

BUT .. I doubt the cases figures are correct.

 

[steveR]

It's also important to know if the disease mutates .. if the patient isn't tested then how will health professionals ever know and stop the source of another epidemic.

Very good point...

 

[Chris F]

Its certainly nothing to do with population density as Germany has more people than France and is smaller.

 

[MOG]

Been using it for a long time to track what's going on .. has good news sources as well.

BUT .. I doubt the cases figures are correct.

My wife is German so our satellite is permanently on the German news. The figures being reported there tarry with the ones on the link above. No idea why they have proportionally fewer deaths, but I guess they are yet to get going properly, or else the health care system is just better able to cope?

 

[wanton dwarf]

My wife is German so our satellite is permanently on the German news. The figures being reported there tarry with the ones on the link above. No idea why they have proportionally fewer deaths, but I guess they are yet to get going properly, or else the health care system is just better able to cope?

Yeah I think the figures will tally for what is reported .. it's just that the figures of actual cases in populations are going to be a lot higher because everyone isn't being tested.

 

[Andrew K]

I did hear the Germans have a far higher amount of ventilators available per head infected.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I did hear the Germans have a far higher amount of ventilators available per head infected.

Germany has about 24 Intensive Care Units per 100,000 people
UK has about 7

 

[Dry Rot]

Not wanting to be seen as racist, but the Germans have a reputation for being sticklers for the rules. If they are told not to socialised, perhaps they don't? On the other hand, I am sure we can all think of races who are by nature rebels and don't do as they are told.

 

[mo!]

Not wanting to be seen as racist, but the Germans have a reputation for being sticklers for the rules. If they are told not to socialised, perhaps they don't? On the other hand, I am sure we can all think of races who are by nature rebels and don't do as they are told.

That's not a racist thing to say. It's more of a xenophobic stereotype.

 

[Danllan]

One of the things that stands out in the current figures is how the German death rate from Covid 19 is far lower than other countries.

Check out how many they've tested and what their criteria for being tested are, and then come back to us...

Anyway, the UK has a very low rate which.

 

[fudge]

Germany has about 24 Intensive Care Units per 100,000 people
UK has about 7

The capacity of the health care system must have an impact on survival rates. It is reported that the Italians are drawing up protocols to ration ventilators, principally by age. Horrible position for families and Doctors alike.

 

[robs1]

Age profile, smoking levels and general health are huge factors in death rates, when in France I notice far more smokers than here and IIRC Italians are heavy smokers too, perhaps the Germans aren't

 

[farmerm]

Germany has about 24 Intensive Care Units per 100,000 people
UK has about 7

which isn't a problem as long if we keep our infection rate

One of the things that stands out in the current figures is how the German death rate from Covid 19 is far lower than other countries.

I wondered if this was due to the use of Anti Virals or perhaps a lack of reporting maybe due to control of data or a language barrier.

Perhaps it is how this articles states .. German efficiency in actually testing members of the public at large .. thereby picking up more cases, whereas the UK is not testing the general public.

Why does Germany have so few coronavirus deaths?

Germany has more than 3,000 COVID-19 cases and six deaths so far. Much fewer in comparison to other affected countries.

www.euronews.com

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It would be very interesting to know the age profiles, perhaps the disease in Germany has to date spread more rapidly though a younger, healthier demographic.... Another factor could be if it is spread more thinly across the country, perhaps Italy cases have been more tightly clustered and over whelming local resources... Perhaps many more less sever cases are going undetected in Itatly than in Germany.

 

[ollie989898]

Can't compare a country, their populations are different. Chinese data pretty useless as well.

 

[Danllan]

Age profile, smoking levels and general health are huge factors in death rates, when in France I notice far more smokers than here and IIRC Italians are heavy smokers too, perhaps the Germans aren't

A really good point.

I was chatting about the subject with my mother earlier - she is a retired nurse who spent the last thirty years of her service at as part of a cardiothoracic team, initially in theatre, ending up as a transplant coordinator. She said that the biggest factor, by a country mile, in lung health and subsequent ability to recover from pretty much any surgery, was whether or not the patient was / had been a smoker or had worked with pollutants giving similar results. No surprise there but...

German consumption of cigarettes seems to be higher than that in both Italy and Spain, but significantly less than in China.

Prevalence of tobacco use - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think it is down to the fact that they are testing people with more serious symptoms.

 

[ollie989898]

That is one thing that always surprised me on the continent, a huge number of them are smokers.