Glyphosate again

icanshootwell

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Location
Ross-on-wye
What i was surprised at, was the chap who posts on u tube oli someone with all the big kit was spraying off a field and almost immediately working the ground straight after. I thought you had to leave it at least 5 days.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
Rotorspike ,Role ,Drill ,turn lambs in

What i was surprised at, was the chap who posts on u tube oli someone with all the big kit was spraying off a field and almost immediately working the ground straight after. I thought you had to leave it at least 5 days.
It's not going to do anyone any harm working it straight after is it , just he won't get full effect will he and he won't help with roundup resistance will it ,so a bit of a stupid thing to do ,I don't plough so it don't apply to me but if I was I would leave it two weeks minimum for things like docks
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I was pleasantly surprised many (20+) years ago by the effectiveness of pre-harvest application on feed wheats and grasses before silage and the subsequent shortening of time to planting the next crop, however more recently I was horrified to learn that milling wheats could be sprayed with glyphosate and see the combine in within 3 or 4 days.
Perhaps, just perhaps the massive rise in “gluten intolerance” is actually glyphosate intolerance - Folk have been eating wheat products for 1000’s of years but mass “gluten intolerance” seems to have occurred during the pre-harvest glyphosate period.

Any evidence at all for such a claim? Or are you just picking ideas out of the air like a lot of the crazed anti-Monsanto brigade do?

Electric cars have also occurred during the 'pre-harvest glyphosate period', I reckon there's a link there too.....
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
Any evidence at all for such a claim? Or are you just picking ideas out of the air like a lot of the crazed anti-Monsanto brigade do?

Electric cars have also occurred during the 'pre-harvest glyphosate period', I reckon there's a link there too.....
My guess is that historically there has been less access to refined and processed carbohydrates & much less reliance on gluten based foods therefore gluten intolerance was less of an issue compared to today. For those that did suffer, the lack of medical understanding of the issue means that we only know about people who were sickly and unable to thrive... or were deemed to be prone to "the vapours" etc.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I was pleasantly surprised many (20+) years ago by the effectiveness of pre-harvest application on feed wheats and grasses before silage and the subsequent shortening of time to planting the next crop, however more recently I was horrified to learn that milling wheats could be sprayed with glyphosate and see the combine in within 3 or 4 days.
Perhaps, just perhaps the massive rise in “gluten intolerance” is actually glyphosate intolerance - Folk have been eating wheat products for 1000’s of years but mass “gluten intolerance” seems to have occurred during the pre-harvest glyphosate period.

I suggest that you also research how human diets have changed since the 1970s. The Chorleywood Process for baking bread has a lot to answer for.
 

Timbo1080

Member
Location
Somerset
I was pleasantly surprised many (20+) years ago by the effectiveness of pre-harvest application on feed wheats and grasses before silage and the subsequent shortening of time to planting the next crop, however more recently I was horrified to learn that milling wheats could be sprayed with glyphosate and see the combine in within 3 or 4 days.
Perhaps, just perhaps the massive rise in “gluten intolerance” is actually glyphosate intolerance - Folk have been eating wheat products for 1000’s of years but mass “gluten intolerance” seems to have occurred during the pre-harvest glyphosate period.
The stomach is the most important organ in the body. Coeliac disease, Crohn's, IBS, Gluten, lactose Intolerance etc are symptoms of poor gut biota. I would look towards the increase in incidence of Caesarean sections more than any correlated causation of the wider use of glyphosate. Further to that, a high percentage of C-Section patients, do not breastfeed. Avoidance of the birth canal & bacterial fluids, coupled with no innoculation from the tit, result in a high likelihood of gastrointestinal problems from day one.
 

Flatlander

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Does anyone have an idea when it will be banned? It’s been licensed until December 2022?
Won’t be banned until Monsanto have a patent on a super safe better working alternative that’s vastly overpriced. Then new evidence will be released from them confirming that it’s no longer safe to use. Not their fault either it’s due to to some chemical reaction with pollutants in the air coming from farm animals.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Won’t be banned until Monsanto have a patent on a super safe better working alternative that’s vastly overpriced. Then new evidence will be released from them confirming that it’s no longer safe to use. Not their fault either it’s due to to some chemical reaction with pollutants in the air coming from farm animals.
CRD have banned active ingredients without alternatives in the past. They have no interest in what might be coming to market in the future, only removing what they don’t like.
 

Wobblebox

Member
Arable Farmer
I remember a few years ago seeing a neighbour spraying his wheat in the morning, then combining the same field in the afternoon!
…suppose it could have been water that he was spraying! 🙄
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I remember a few years ago seeing a neighbour spraying his wheat in the morning, then combining the same field in the afternoon!
…suppose it could have been water that he was spraying! 🙄

Or urea to get the protein up on test?🤐

I very much doubt combining within the withdrawal period is common, or ‘often seen’, although there will be a few heroes that can’t help but waste their money.

I usually spray all of my Spring Barley pre-harvest, but it had gone off well this year so I just sprayed a couple of patches under woods/field trees, and the end section of the boom round the outside.
As a result, I spent three hours yesterday moving all the straw, and will have to spray glyphosate on the AMG seedlings on 17ac pre-DD’ing brassicas. I will have applied the same quantity of glyphosate/ha and used some extra diesel.
 

Treg

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
The stomach is the most important organ in the body. Coeliac disease, Crohn's, IBS, Gluten, lactose Intolerance etc are symptoms of poor gut biota. I would look towards the increase in incidence of Caesarean sections more than any correlated causation of the wider use of glyphosate. Further to that, a high percentage of C-Section patients, do not breastfeed. Avoidance of the birth canal & bacterial fluids, coupled with no innoculation from the tit, result in a high likelihood of gastrointestinal problems from day one.
I wonder what effect a small trace of chemicals in our foods has on gut biota.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
The stomach is the most important organ in the body. Coeliac disease, Crohn's, IBS, Gluten, lactose Intolerance etc are symptoms of poor gut biota. I would look towards the increase in incidence of Caesarean sections more than any correlated causation of the wider use of glyphosate. Further to that, a high percentage of C-Section patients, do not breastfeed. Avoidance of the birth canal & bacterial fluids, coupled with no innoculation from the tit, result in a high likelihood of gastrointestinal problems from day one.
What % of newborn babies are there not getting breast milk?
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
The stomach is the most important organ in the body. Coeliac disease, Crohn's, IBS, Gluten, lactose Intolerance etc are symptoms of poor gut biota. I would look towards the increase in incidence of Caesarean sections more than any correlated causation of the wider use of glyphosate. Further to that, a high percentage of C-Section patients, do not breastfeed. Avoidance of the birth canal & bacterial fluids, coupled with no innoculation from the tit, result in a high likelihood of gastrointestinal problems from day one.
Actually the skin is the most important organ in the body. Without it everything would go 'fluuurpp'.
 

Timbo1080

Member
Location
Somerset
What % of newborn babies are there not getting breast milk?
I could attempt to look clever and pretend that I didn't need to look it up on ONS or via google......but i'm not going to.......I don't know. However, my anecdotal experience is that many C-Sections struggle to provide colostrum, let alone go on to breastfeed. Full term C-Sections are less of a problem, as the body is ready to give. I don't know of any C-Section, non-breastfed infants that haven't had problems (But then I guess there will be a fair amount of confirmation bias on my part). Usually dismissed as "Colic" which is essentially 'An Undiagnosed problem, resulting in crying'....Which I believe is awful really. If you don't allow inoculation of the gut with Lactobacillus, bifidobacterium infantis etc before the onset of feeding, you are essentially setting the child up for colonsation by E.Coli.....And symptoms as per watery mouth in Lambs (At least this is how I discovered this whole issue, with my children). The consultant Paediatricians had apparently 'never considered it', which worried me, and I think i worried them when i asked if it would be safe to give my recently born first child a whole dose of Pro & Pre-biotics.....Based my brief spell lambing & the fact that my daughter's tummy would 'slosh' as per watery mouth. It sorted the problem pretty much overnight, and also got rid of runny noses & nasty arses, which was a bonus. We have repeated this with various friends in the same boat & every time it has at least helped, if not solved the 'Colic', and other things usually just attributed to being children. The Paediatricians have since discovered a lot of work being done on this, in Australia. It's also drawn my attention to antibiotic use (Which we all acknowledge buggers around with the guts), and the corresponding vulnerability to other diseases.....I never really suffered from cold or coughs, before I had a particularly strong course of Antibiotics post an operation.....I've never since managed to sort my guts out.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I could attempt to look clever and pretend that I didn't need to look it up on ONS or via google......but i'm not going to.......I don't know. However, my anecdotal experience is that many C-Sections struggle to provide colostrum, let alone go on to breastfeed. Full term C-Sections are less of a problem, as the body is ready to give. I don't know of any C-Section, non-breastfed infants that haven't had problems (But then I guess there will be a fair amount of confirmation bias on my part). Usually dismissed as "Colic" which is essentially 'An Undiagnosed problem, resulting in crying'....Which I believe is awful really. If you don't allow inoculation of the gut with Lactobacillus, bifidobacterium infantis etc before the onset of feeding, you are essentially setting the child up for colonsation by E.Coli.....And symptoms as per watery mouth in Lambs (At least this is how I discovered this whole issue, with my children). The consultant Paediatricians had apparently 'never considered it', which worried me, and I think i worried them when i asked if it would be safe to give my recently born first child a whole dose of Pro & Pre-biotics.....Based my brief spell lambing & the fact that my daughter's tummy would 'slosh' as per watery mouth. It sorted the problem pretty much overnight, and also got rid of runny noses & nasty arses, which was a bonus. We have repeated this with various friends in the same boat & every time it has at least helped, if not solved the 'Colic', and other things usually just attributed to being children. The Paediatricians have since discovered a lot of work being done on this, in Australia. It's also drawn my attention to antibiotic use (Which we all acknowledge buggers around with the guts), and the corresponding vulnerability to other diseases.....I never really suffered from cold or coughs, before I had a particularly strong course of Antibiotics post an operation.....I've never since managed to sort my guts out.
I don’t pretend to know much about gut biota to even begin to answer that. Like you, I’ve seen what a lack of colostrum does in ruminants but I’ve no experience in mono gastrics. The same principles still apply.
 

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