Glyphosate ban on European milling oats

[Flatlander]

I'm embarrassed to say that we cut 5ac of April sown oats very green as we left some away ground, to save a combine return movement.
After warming up, to even up the bulk, they went through the drier and came out smelling like the most beautiful tobacco ever.
Not advocating this as the way forward, but I was surprised how green they can actually be cut, and how few losses.
I didn't go back, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't another crop there on secondary tillers, by Christmas.

Last oats grown here were in a dry year three years ago. Swathed them and after a few days picked up the rows. Then had a wetish week and within a month there was a good cut of green feed but couldn’t give it away. discs make green manure out of it.

 

[cropzone]

Something to watch!

Looks like glyphosate is being banned as a desiccant for milling oats in Europe, not here at the moment but I suspect it might happen.


Is there anything left in the arsenal to desiccate uneven crops?

C B

=> www.crop.zone works on oats, potatoes and other crops

 

[daithi]

How long does malting barley have left till pre harvest glyphosate banned on it too?

Swathings not something I'd considered.

We are not allowed to use pre harvest glyphosate on our malting barley here in Ireland.
A lot had to go for feed last year because of a lot of secondary tillers and had to be sprayed off.

 

[Flatlander]

How long does malting barley have left till pre harvest glyphosate banned on it too?

Swathings not something I'd considered.

I’d never thought about swathing before a move to Canada. 25 years ago pretty much all grain crops were swathed. Any green tillers or low lying green patches dried up pretty good in a few days. It’s all dependant on weather but I still swath a fair chunk to get going a bit earlier. In our weather too it can protect a crop from hail and high winds. Oats being prone to shelling out when ripe and straw is green still its an easy way to solve two problems. But you’ll need the swather and the pickup head for the combine.

 

[Chris F]

=> www.crop.zone works on oats, potatoes and other crops

Nice to see you on here Dirk. You do owe me some email replies about Tech Farmer Magazine though!

 

[Barleymow]

So could we export oats to Europe that had been sprayed off?

Well we take grain and rape treated with chemicals banned here

 

[teslacoils]

Is that even possible

Ive done it once before with spring oats! But in reality id find it tricky to budget for more than 2.5t/ac. And while theres one year in ten when you can make a pile from not being on a contract, recent oat history has been fairy cack prices for what should be a premium product.

 

[bankrupt]

Ive done it once before with spring oats! But in reality id find it tricky to budget for more than 2.5t/ac.

Done it only 1/60 here - now budget for 1.75 rather than 2.5t/acre

 

[mixedfmr]

Our milling oat contract clearly states that glyphosate can not be used for pre harvest. And has done for the past 5 years. Mill has a growers programme, with part of it being field inspections and residue testing. Have found harvesting the oats to be fine, but the straw has to sit for up to 3 weeks before it's fit to bale as it stays so green. We did have a nightmare with secondary growth one year, with a dry spring and wet end to June. All our grain is put through a drier, but the oats with secondary growth were particularly tricky to dry.

Are you selling to any of the porridge mills?
Theres alot of Irish oats in shops here

 

[Brisel]

When is the optimum timing for pre harvest glyphosate? I've only grown oats without desiccation where we were taking seed off. Seed was shedding but the straw was still green!

Strobilurin use for the last fungicide timing could be to blame I suppose.

 

[Spencer]

Only ever use one strob now, agro still keen for two but they’d still be leeks in October!

 

[principal skinner]

When is the optimum timing for pre harvest glyphosate? I've only grown oats without desiccation where we were taking seed off. Seed was shedding but the straw was still green!

Strobilurin use for the last fungicide timing could be to blame I suppose.

I find when you have about ten days of wheat left is about right.

 

[Brisel]

I find when you have about ten days of wheat left is about right.

That’s not what I meant, but I see where you’re coming from

 

[Gong Farmer]

There's a 'new' chemical residue problem on oats now (in the US at least)

In a groundbreaking study, EWG found chlormequat, a toxic pesticide, in 80% of people tested. Linked to serious reproductive health issues in animals, its presence in people and popular oat-based foods like Cheerios and Quaker Oats raises serious human health concerns. Hear from EWG experts on what you need to know about chlormequat and how join the fight to get this chemical out of our food and our bodies.

 

[Brisel]

Quaker have been monitoring chlormequat residues in oats for years. Just another spray that would make it harder to grow oats without.

 

[PSQ]

There's a 'new' chemical residue problem on oats now (in the US at least)

In a groundbreaking study, EWG found chlormequat, a toxic pesticide, in 80% of people tested. Linked to serious reproductive health issues in animals, its presence in people and popular oat-based foods like Cheerios and Quaker Oats raises serious human health concerns. Hear from EWG experts on what you need to know about chlormequat and how join the fight to get this chemical out of our food and our bodies.

It's annoying (to put it mildly) when videographers try to sensationalise their content with images that are intended to alarm the viewer, but have absolutely no relevance to the point being made.
Exhibit one: at 1'15' this video cuts to a belt spreader and a big scary cloud of presumably lime or gypsum billowing out the back of it, but it looks intimidating to see a cloud of anything on a scary video with a pretty lady and background music.
The video then fails to quantify the extent of the findings other than "4 out of 5 people", no mention of the concentration found in grains in PPM, just that it has been "found in people".

Sounds like someone is after donations and research grants...

 

[teslacoils]

Food - 100 mortality reported for those who didn't eat it.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Food - 100 mortality reported for those who didn't eat it.

Another conspiracy theory

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Food - 100 mortality reported for those who didn't eat it.

And strangely, 100% mortality for those who did.

 

[mixedfmr]

This is a strange one, I used it first about 50 years ago on Maris Huntsman, then Hobbit. And the USA has just got hold of it in 2023. Will have used it on oats at a similar time.
If Quaker have known about it for years, its caused them no concern all this time.

Glysphosate was found in humans years ago, obviously small trace ppm
Family been tested for similar thing at one time, Lindane found in us, and we have been nowhere near it, agriculture or pharmasuticaly
Any residue found in tests can be hijacked as appears here

As an aside 50 hrs in a sauna will halve the toxic load, so to eat in this day and age and be safe, buy a sauna