Glyphosate ban on European milling oats

[crazy_bull]

so why can we not have stronger residue testing rules on imports here??

If glyphosate was banned a desiccant due to human ingestion fears then I suspect we would.

C B

 

[Tractor Tim]

I would rather see it banned as a desiccant on all food crops than lose it all together. It's a valuable tool else where on the farm, admittedly it does make harvest easy some years

 

[Nitrams]

Not a fan of desicating crops heading straight for human consumption but combined with a lack of grass weed control, its going to make growing oats even more tricky in tough climate.

 

[teslacoils]

If glyphosate free then yes I guess so

Or they run short and decide they can make an exception to keep the mill full. Or forget to test them.

 

[teslacoils]

Personally,I don't like the idea of subjecting something to many, many safety tests, then on a whim banning it's perfectly legitimate use.

 

[crazy_bull]

Or they run short and decide they can make an exception to keep the mill full. Or forget to test them.

And risk processing them only to get rejected by the retailer, not likely if it’s a food safety issue….

oat millers can only mill oats hence in a short year like this they are worth a lot more than milling wheat!!

 

[teslacoils]

Devil is always in the detail. Not really an issue in the short term unless oats are going to start paying more than sfi. Still, a worrying precedent once they start using "no roundup on our oats" as a selling point to bash it's use on other crops.

 

[Spencer]

I would rather see it banned as a desiccant on all food crops than lose it all together. It's a valuable tool else where on the farm, admittedly it does make harvest easy some years

I’d rather all farms with Blackgrass be mandatory put to permanent pasture

 

[ollie989898]

What flowers could you grow as a one time break?

Red clover, plus chicory plus a bit of white plus something just to cover the ground between September-September? What's the lowest (cheap) seed rate you could do?

 

[Spencer]

Devil is always in the detail. Not really an issue in the short term unless oats are going to start paying more than sfi. Still, a worrying precedent once they start using "no roundup on our oats" as a selling point to bash it's use on other crops.

4t/ac milling oats pay better than sfi, no?

 

[Clive]

Or the price will rise to make them work?

C B

funny post of the year so far award

 

[Clive]

so why can we not have stronger residue testing rules on imports here??

because it would ban most imports - they would nearly all test positive for either GMO, test for CTL or neonics and other UK banned substances .......... and that would make UK produce actually worth growing

 

[Bogweevil]

The residues found in oats in real life are way below the maximum permissable (20mg/kg).

2020 AHDB Testing of oats showed these results: glyphosate 0.19-4.2 mg/kg - Source: https://projectblue.blob.core.windo...021/21130040 results for harvest 2020.pdf.pdf

Glyphosate residues can be found in organic oats at very low levels - the tests are fantastically ssensitive.

If desication is withdrawn as a label use for glyphosate plant breeders will breed earlier maturing cultivars.

People who do not care for evidence like to vapour about these things and good luck to them. They havea right to do so.

Sensible people monitor their crops closely, follow the label recomendations properly and apply glyphosate when there is no other reasonable action, as is recommended for IPM, sustainable use, water directive and so on.

 

[Adeptandy]

4t/ac milling oats pay better than sfi, no?

Is that even possible

 

[Happy]

Sensible people monitor their crops closely, follow the label recomendations properly and apply glyphosate when there is no other reasonable action, as is recommended for IPM, sustainable use, water directive and so on.

Agree.
Why don’t they consider extending the pre harvest time period from the current 7 days to 14 if they are concerned about residues?

Always takes a good 12-14 days to do its stuff on spring barley with me in our cooler harvest temperature.

if your crops are ready to cut 7 days from application then probably fair to say you didn’t need it doing anyway.

Surely a sensible halfway house first step to take in meeting concerns of those who rely on its use & those with concerns over residues before a straight outright ban.

 

[richard hammond]

I would rather see it banned as a desiccant on all food crops than lose it all together. It's a valuable tool else where on the farm, admittedly it does make harvest easy some years

what a spot on comment!!

 

[Spencer]

Agree.
Why don’t they consider extending the pre harvest time period from the current 7 days to 14 if they are concerned about residues?

Always takes a good 12-14 days to do its stuff on spring barley with me in our cooler harvest temperature.

if your crops are ready to cut 7 days from application then probably fair to say you didn’t need it doing anyway.

Surely a sensible halfway house first step to take in meeting concerns of those who rely on its use & those with concerns over residues before a straight outright ban.

I find it wants 3wks on SO, then they cut a dream. But usually if you listen to agronomist, when he says they’re ready the combine should be near the field.

 

[Spencer]

Is that even possible

Had one field do it and we’re amateurs.. head over to Ireland for big oat yields.

 

[Dave6170]

Is that even possible

A farm up here did 10t/ha last harvest

 

[DCM]

Our milling oat contract clearly states that glyphosate can not be used for pre harvest. And has done for the past 5 years. Mill has a growers programme, with part of it being field inspections and residue testing. Have found harvesting the oats to be fine, but the straw has to sit for up to 3 weeks before it's fit to bale as it stays so green. We did have a nightmare with secondary growth one year, with a dry spring and wet end to June. All our grain is put through a drier, but the oats with secondary growth were particularly tricky to dry.