Half of England owned by less than 1% of pop.

[glasshouse]

Sell it into a market that's spiralling downwards as happened after the war when punitive deaths duties were applied.

Exactly

 

[Water Wheel]

Makes no difference if it’s rented out it has to balance otherwise it won’t be rented out, not for long anyway

Got a house that's been empty 2+ years now have to pay double Council tax .

 

[Pivo]

Reading the article, I don’t believe that they are after the productive farmers... I suspect they want to democratise the land to build residential houses and live on.

With the high concentration of the land ownership it is hard to find and buy a stand to build a family house. One has to find an old blower-upper, as opposed to fixer-upper, demolish it, and only then build a new house that you want.

 

[glasshouse]

Got a house that's been empty 2+ years now have to pay double Council tax .

Thats quite right

 

[Henarar]

Reading the article, I don’t believe that they are after the productive farmers... I suspect they want to democratise the land to build residential houses and live on.

With the high concentration of the land ownership it is hard to find and buy a stand to build a family house. One has to find an old blower-upper, as opposed to fixer-upper, demolish it, and only then build a new house that you want.

its all just down to the planning system, do away with it and how much would a house be worth, the AG value of the land its stood on plus the build cost, planning permission is the biggest subsidy going, given to a few on a few bits of land to make them rich

 

[glasshouse]

The first 200 ac of farmland should be tax free
After that its an exponential increase, so making the 50,000 ac estate unviable

 

[glasshouse]

Sell it into a market that's spiralling downwards as happened after the war when punitive deaths duties were applied.

Farmers will be able to afford land to farm again

 

[7610 super q]

The first 200 ac of farmland should be tax free
After that its an exponential increase, so making the 50,000 ac estate unviable

Never works out like that, does it. It will be a blanket policy whereby the owner of 50 acres pays the same as the owner of 50,000 acres. Look at how the CAP gets administered.

 

[glasshouse]

Never works out like that, does it. It will be a blanket policy whereby the owner of 50 acres pays the same as the owner of 50,000 acres. Look at how the CAP gets administered.

The CAP is only administered that way in the uk due to tories, Nfu and cla.

 

[ollie989898]

It's hard to move land 'off shore' so easy to tax unlike Google etc

Easy. Tax against turnover of business done in the UK.

 

[Henarar]

Easy. Tax against turnover of business done in the UK.

But turnover doesn't necessarily make much money

 

[Exfarmer]

As always with tax it will start small and there will be many exemptions.
There will be small farmer exemptions, but dont count on it being much over 10 ha!
Remember much of Europe has land taxes, which is why many countries like the CAP, as it is just a straight forward subsidy to the exchequeur.
It will probably be like their last attempt, a tax which does not need paying and will be rolled forward until the property is sold or changes hands on death etc.
Thankfully the last one bought in in the mid seventies, was abolished by The Conservative government of the 1980’s before any real sums had been paid.
Rollover of such a tax perhaps £10 a ha with an interest charge of say 6% ( like the student loan) would soon mount up to a tidy sum across the country

 

[PSQ]

That’s always the thought but looking back farming has always done well under Labour administrations down the years.

Point of order: you are historically correct up until 2001 - the Foot and Mouth scandal and it’s utter mismanagement due to the upcoming election. When Nick Brown was kicked out we then had Jackboot Cunningham and Margaret Beckett, who looked as if they were trying to punish Tory landowners by working against every working class farmer in the land.
I don’t suppose anyone farming at the time has forgotten why the title ‘DEFRA secretary’ became synonymous with the term ‘contemptible pansy’?
It doesn’t matter which way you vote. If you Farm in the UK Labour see you as ‘an enemy of the people, a problem that needs ‘solving’, a climate change criminal. Not dissimilar to Stalins hatred of the ‘Kulacks’ (peasant class).

 

[Bossfarmer]

Will depend on the level of land tax, do you not think.

The presumption on this forum seems to be that a Labour Part land tax will be totally exorbitant. And there would be opportunity for a well structured tax to have appropriate reliefs. All that Labour is suggesting is to generate revenue taxation from a capital item. This would affect the capital value as the amount of tax would be capitalised into a reduction in the value of the asset. In a period of low interest rates since 2008 'wealthy' people have moved cash into assets. And somehow government of whichever political colour has to extract cash tax revenue from these people - difficult as they tend to have good accountants.

If the land tax were say £5hectare would that cause UK farming to cease? The Tory government is proposing a far harsher reduction in revenue with change to subsidy in the Agriculture Bill.

and whats labours stance on farm subs?

 

[livestock 1]

Got a house that's been empty 2+ years now have to pay double Council tax .

Yes we rent some out and fall into that trap too

 

[mo!]

I'm guessing you have about 200ac?

I think the limit should be just over 350ac...

 

[livestock 1]

So answer the question, what will the owner do with it?
And leaving it empty to get a rate rebate needs to be outlawed

The answer is the tenant will still pay the tax through the rent. All depends if the rent was originally enough to incorporate the cost of the tax

 

[7610 super q]

I'm guessing you have about 200ac?

I think the limit should be just over 350ac...

I'm guessing you have about 350 acres ?

I think the limit should be just over 11 billion acres...

 

[David.]

Was a shame about poor old Nick Brown, a decent man given a brief that left him out of his depth..

 

[Muck Spreader]

30 euros Hc around here, LFA, depends on your ground though

Depends on the commune as well. We pay the most per ha in St Martial and the least in Luchapt only 8 euro ha. And 28 euro ha in St Barbant.