Half of England owned by less than 1% of pop.

[glasshouse]

Point of order: you are historically correct up until 2001 - the Foot and Mouth scandal and it’s utter mismanagement due to the upcoming election. When Nick Brown was kicked out we then had Jackboot Cunningham and Margaret Beckett, who looked as if they were trying to punish Tory landowners by working against every working class farmer in the land.
I don’t suppose anyone farming at the time has forgotten why the title ‘DEFRA secretary’ became synonymous with the term ‘contemptible pansy’?
It doesn’t matter which way you vote. If you Farm in the UK Labour see you as ‘an enemy of the people, a problem that needs ‘solving’, a climate change criminal. Not dissimilar to Stalins hatred of the ‘Kulacks’ (peasant class).

That was not a labour govt
It was the tony blair grab all you can party,
Assisted by numbskull crash gordon

 

[Daddy Pig]

you

I

i said that

said rates are supposed to be paid by the owners which is incorrect.

 

[Robw54]

Why is it fair to tax a capital asset? The value of land now has nothing to do with its productive worth and it purely incidental that its capital value has increased. The increase in capital value contributes nothing to our incomes unless we sell, then our means of making a living has gone.

In a year when profits are low or non existent , how would we be expected to pay a tax based in capital value?

Taxing capital assets is a rubbish idea.

Why shouldn't it be taxed? Some of my income atttacts rates in excess of 60% is that fair?

Farm land is taxed in US unless its farmed which means a lot of it is had for next to nothing for the farmer.

 

[yellow belly]

You'd perhaps like to think a distinction would be made between working farmer landowners and landed estates owners whose only merit was to have had an ancestor on the right side at some time or another in ancient history?

They would farm it themselves chucking all the tenants out
No one would be able to get a start in farming from scratch
As it was from 1976 to 1996

 

[Henarar]

Why shouldn't it be taxed? Some of my income atttacts rates in excess of 60% is that fair?

Farm land is taxed in US unless its farmed which means a lot of it is had for next to nothing for the farmer.

if you have income you have money to pay tax

 

[yellow belly]

That was not a labour govt
It was the tony blair grab all you can party,
Assisted by numbskull crash gordon

Farmers did well under labour prior to 2000 because labour alway crashed the economy and had to devalue the £ imported food then cost more they also wrote the 1948 agriculture act with the help of the nfu

Prior to that farmers did badly under peace time when imported food was cheaper and the £ was strong

 

[glasshouse]

Farmers did well under labour prior to 2000 because labour alway crashed the economy and had to devalue the £ imported food then cost more they also wrote the 1948 agriculture act with the help of the nfu

Prior to that farmers did badly under peace time when imported food was cheaper and the £ was strong

Prior to 1979 you mean
That was the last labour govt who published a white paper "Food from our own resources"

In 1997, imbecile Brown adopted tory fiscal policy which gave us a strong pound and ruination till 2007

 

[glasshouse]

you

said rates are supposed to be paid by the owners which is incorrect.

I said they should be paid by owners in future, which is not the current position

 

[Exfarmer]

If there arerates to be paid and the tenant wants the land, he will be paying the rates as well I am afraid

 

[PSQ]

That was not a labour govt
It was the tony blair grab all you can party,
Assisted by numbskull crash gordon

Are you forgetting Jeremy Corbyn ('no fool like an old fool') appointing a militant vegan to shadow DEFRA secretary as soon as he 'came into power'?
What was that, if not intended to be a massive "FUDGE YOU!" to the left and right of rural Britain ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_McCarthy

She was appointed by Jeremy Corbyn as Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in September 2015. She argued in a Spring 2015 interview with Viva!life, a magazine for vegans, that meat should be treated like tobacco, with "public campaigns to stop people eating it".[16]

 

[Tarw Coch]

That was not a labour govt
It was the tony blair grab all you can party,
Assisted by numbskull crash gordon

As far as I can remember he campaigned for the Labour Party and a Labour government won, never heard of the grab all you can party.

 

[PSQ]

I have forgotten one Labour DEFRA secretary who had the brains, understanding and ability to do the post justice.

David Miliband 2006-07

And if the Trade Unions hadn't used their block vote to overturn the popular members vote for Labour leader in 2010, and replace David Miliband (aka stab him and the PLP members in the back) with their stooge Ed Miliband, where might the country be today?
- Brexit, May, Corbyn?
Surprise surprise, the country up to its ears in sh!te because of the unions...

 

[Wombat]

So if it was £30 per ha it would be nothing to a multithousand poultry unit on 5 aces but could ruin a hill farm with 3000 acres of moorland.

So then you need to set up a government department to map, register assess and allow people to appeal, all costing millions of pounds.

All to collect a few hundred quid off your average farmer.

Why not save the expense and be honest and just stick it on income tax?

I personally don't want anymore on income tax thanks, that's already ridiculously skewed.

 

[Roger Perry]

Why shouldn't it be taxed? Some of my income atttacts rates in excess of 60% is that fair?

Farm land is taxed in US unless its farmed which means a lot of it is had for next to nothing for the farmer.

I do not understand your point...?
All land in private hands is taxed.........even land owned by the Gov or state attracts a fee payable to the county.
Thing to keep in mind is that any property Ag/residential/industrial/commercial attracts a property tax.........like your house rating system in a way, these are administered on a county by county basis.

Obviously a commercial property in a large metro area will pay a large amount while a rancher in Wyoming may pay only 50 cents an acre...or less.
Out in the country growing spuds or barley in my county its less than $10 acre.

Regardless its a fair way to raise money that's needed to pay for all the costs of running a community, plus if you think your bill is unfair just go to the assessors' office and argue your corner.
The problem you guys will run up against is that land taxes may be introduced and at the same time keep all the other taxes/rates etc, instead of streamlining the whole process into one fee.

 

[glasshouse]

As far as I can remember he campaigned for the Labour Party and a Labour government won, never heard of the grab all you can party.

That was new labour, or red tory, same thing, not labour

 

[glasshouse]

As far as I can remember he campaigned for the Labour Party and a Labour government won, never heard of the grab all you can party.

That was new labour, or red tory, same thing, not labour

 

[glasshouse]

If there arerates to be paid and the tenant wants the land, he will be paying the rates as well I am afraid

Not if the govt sets it up properly, uninfluenced by the property lobby.
Whatever rent is tendered, it will be less if the tenant has to meeet the rates bill

 

[glasshouse]

Are you forgetting Jeremy Corbyn ('no fool like an old fool') appointing a militant vegan to shadow DEFRA secretary as soon as he 'came into power'?
What was that, if not intended to be a massive "FUDGE YOU!" to the left and right of rural Britain ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_McCarthy

A corbyn govt could hardly be worse than blairs
Bse, f & m
Fuel taxes
Financial crisis
Out of control house prices
Shyte weather

 

[Qman]

A corbyn govt could hardly be worse than blairs
Bse, f & m
Fuel taxes
Financial crisis
Out of control house prices
Shyte weather

Don't you kid yourself. If Corbyn got in the country would be ruined pretty quickly. They will raise taxes for all to pay for increased spending, the very rich would leave and the people in the middle would pay more tax. Companies would re locate elsewhere if corporation tax went up and unemployment would shoot up, like it does under all Labour governments.

Glasshouse, are you a Marxist?

 

[glasshouse]

Don't you kid yourself. If Corbyn got in the country would be ruined pretty quickly. They will raise taxes for all to pay for increased spending, the very rich would leave and the people in the middle would pay more tax. Companies would re locate elsewhere if corporation tax went up and unemployment would shoot up, like it does under all Labour governments.

Glasshouse, are you a Marxist?

No, a realist