Wellytrack
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Some with three.
124hp/508 NM. 3.3 litres.
High horse power four cylinders can’t sustainably do the same job as a larger six pot of similar HP. Tell me I’m wrong
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Some with three.
124hp/508 NM. 3.3 litres.
michael N123
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My Valtra N4 holds loads more than our NH T6165 that has the fuel light on at supper time when plowing where as the Valtra will go on until midnight if you want
Wellytrack
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michael N123
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Fecking annoying when the light starts flashing at 5 o clock I’ve seen us put fuel in it at 2 o clock when it’s running the drag chopperFord 7610’s were great for that. Finished up nice and early
2wheels
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didn't it have the auxiliary tank so it could go till 3 o clock?
michael N123
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Yeah diesel drums in back of the pickup
clbarclay
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True, perhaps given enough time most tractors will move to few cylinders untill everything is on single cylinder engines?
Wellytrack
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You’ll probably see the next generation of engines be the last. 3 cylinders up to 150, 4 up to 250. Small 40-60hp tractors will start to be electrified, unless this methane engine actually gets up and running.
clbarclay
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If they could somehow sort out the issues with batteries, I would far sooner have an electric motor instead of a diesel motor now. I'm sure there would still be plenty left for the forum to argue over.
Unusual thread. Would be far more incendiary if it was 'what engine in a pickup' thread.
Conclusion then is that you can't go wrong with a 4 or a 6 cylinder, so long as it's a Valtra.
Or a Deutz
Seriously though, several years ago Profi magazine printed a comparison between Deutz 4 and 6 cylinder agrotrons that were both near enough the same 150hp. The 4 cylinder was more responsive, actually set the standard for fuel efficiency at the time (the 6 was still better than most other brands at the time), and had a higher carrying capacity because it was lighter to start with.
The only things the 6 won on (if memory serves) was a better start off torque, and it would lug down slightly lower until max torque was reached.
I've saved a small fortune in diesel and servicing costs running 4 cylinder Deutz tractors over the years...... So much money in fact that I've now been able to buy and run a 4 cylinder valtra
The way the valtra drinks, and the hours it does, it won't be long until I've lost my fortune though
Highway star
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It all comes down to manufacturing cost really. A 4cylinder is way more cheaper to produce/manufacture. Less parts installed etc... Can be brought up to around the same hp as a 6 these days with common rail.... So go sell it anyway you can, the rest is profit as they say
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for the couple of quotes i had for 4 vs6 for the same size of tractor the 6 was always 3-4k more at retail in the same brand
Highway star
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Exactly, so that's to make you go for the 4cylinder option which they make more profit on
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Interesting as I’m sure it would cost the manufacturer a fraction of that amount.
Had a similar scenario a few years ago when I bought a JCB Fastrac.
The 2155 is in every respect absolutely identical to the 2170, except for its ECU chip. Which gives the 2170 15 hp more for an extra cost of £4K!
I pointed out that JCB probably doesn’t pay £4K for the its entire Cummins engine!
I bought the 2155 and a couple of years later chipped it to an extra 60 hp more, for £399 from Chip Express.
I recently gave it a birthday at the dealers for a proper service and they could not believe how well it pulls.
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You only have to look at the engine technology in cars today, small engines producing lots of power and incredibly economical, why would wouldn't that technology be used in other sectors?
Look how motorsport has changed, F1 and World Rally car engines have got smaller, but are producing more power than they've ever done, why wouldn't you want tractors to be lighter more economical and have more power?
Look how motorsport has changed, F1 and World Rally car engines have got smaller, but are producing more power than they've ever done, why wouldn't you want tractors to be lighter more economical and have more power?
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Ha ha!
Was speaking to a JLR engineering Director the other day who pointed out that their Jaguar Lion V6 3litre has more Hp than our 6.7litre NH 7050 190hp.
When I asked how long it would last pulling a 5 furrow Vari-width plough at 20” wide each, he tried to change the subject a bit sharpish!
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capfits
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Quite. Aircraft engines are a great example Merlin went from a 1000hp engine to a just over 2000 hp engine during its developmental life.
Remeber Dahatsu Charade turbos chucking out 100hp a litre 30 years ago, happens all the time now.
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Nice to see the Series 1 keeping up with the front one.All that proves is they don't make a proper vehicle like they used to make!!!
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But you might have confused everybody on this thread if that is a TD5!
On top of which it is “Boys” land and it must have been photoshopped. Otherwise where has all the blue smoke gone?
6150r is a gutless tractor, 716, 6155r or 6930 would be better
paying the extra 3-4k is a no-brainer, especially when you include the resale of a 6 cyl. Would you rather have an engine that is set to its max producing 170hp (to the detriment of it's torque curve and power bands) or one that is set at 170hp but could easily produce 220hp? The only time it might not be worth it would be on a lease tractor, which i guess lots are nowadays.