High horse power four cylinders can’t sustainably do the same job as a larger six pot of similar HP. Tell me I’m wrong

[Mark Hatton]

Nice to see the Series 1 keeping up with the front one.
But you might have confused everybody on this thread if that is a TD5!

On top of which it is “Boys” land and it must have been photoshopped. Otherwise where has all the blue smoke gone?

Good point, well presented, it may be that someones slipped a V8 into the one series hence the lack of blue smoke, the 90 clearly isn't 300 TDI due to lack of black smoke!!

 

[Cowabunga]

for the couple of quotes i had for 4 vs6 for the same size of tractor the 6 was always 3-4k more at retail in the same brand

Yep. Have a look at Jaguar and Land Rover prices for massive differences between even the same engine with different power outputs. Step up to a six from a four and there is often a £10k difference in price.

 

[Cowabunga]

6150r is a gutless tractor, 716, 6155r or 6930 would be better

paying the extra 3-4k is a no-brainer, especially when you include the resale of a 6 cyl. Would you rather have an engine that is set to its max producing 170hp (to the detriment of it's torque curve and power bands) or one that is set at 170hp but could easily produce 220hp? The only time it might not be worth it would be on a lease tractor, which i guess lots are nowadays.

Lots of spurious assumptions made right there.

 

[Cowabunga]

Good point, well presented, it may be that someones slipped a V8 into the one series hence the lack of blue smoke, the 90 clearly isn't 300 TDI due to lack of black smoke!!

Since this is a still image, everything is probably stopped, including the engines. There's no way a Series1 would not smoke, whether a petrol or diesel.

 

[michael N123]

How comes with most brands going for higher horse power 4 cylinders new Holland are now making ‘smaller’ 6 cylinder tractors in the T6 range

 

[Wellytrack]

How comes with most brands going for higher horse power 4 cylinders new Holland are now making ‘smaller’ 6 cylinder tractors in the T6 range

To suit the folks on the other thread of why tractor makers won't listen

 

[michael N123]

To suit the folks on the other thread of why tractor makers won't listen

A heavy 6 cylinder that’s 130 at the flywheel just sounds silly nowadays

 

[Wellytrack]

A heavy 6 cylinder that’s 130 at the flywheel just sounds silly nowadays

It does. It will please people purely because it has two more plungers in the engine though

 

[dave mountain]

How comes with most brands going for higher horse power 4 cylinders new Holland are now making ‘smaller’ 6 cylinder tractors in the T6 range

Because there is a demand for them. id imagine this is helped by an awful lot of t6 being long term purchases rather than getting traded in every few years, compared to most other brand at least. T6030's, TS115's and 7840's round here with 12000-18000hrs only just now getting joined by new t6's

 

[Wellytrack]

How come you hear no crying about big horse power being extracted from the likes of a Fendt 939?

They are 51hp per litre. That's exactly the same as 250hp from a 4.9 SISU.

If such a model appeared tomorrow many would lose their $hit at the idea of it.

 

[dave mountain]

A heavy 6 cylinder that’s 130 at the flywheel just sounds silly nowadays

Not really, an extra hundred or 2 hundred kilos on the front makes no difference, especially when most tractors end up with front weights fitted anyway. Save the 500 quid on front weights and put it towards the engine

 

[michael N123]

Not really, an extra hundred or 2 hundred kilos on the front makes no difference, especially when most tractors end up with front weights fitted anyway. Save the 500 quid on front weights and put it towards the engine

There fecking big for what they are

 

[dave mountain]

t6.160 and t6.180 are exactly the same size as the 4 cylinder equivalent. Gone are the days of a ts115 being a foot or so longer than a ts110.

 

[Wellytrack]

If you think a four cylinder is poor, there is nothing as disappointing as a dull, dead six cylinder..

 

[Two Tone]

A heavy 6 cylinder that’s 130 at the flywheel just sounds silly nowadays

Oooh! Can’t agree there, I’m afraid.

If they sound as good and can still make you feel like million dollars driving them when they look like this after 25 years of work, I’ll continue to be hooked

 

[dave mountain]

If you think a four cylinder is poor, there is nothing as disappointing as a dull, dead six cylinder..

ive driven the deadest of 6s and they are no worse than a dead 4 you wont find a dead model of either on the market now though

 

[Wellytrack]

ive driven the deadest of 6s and they are no worse than a dead 4 you wont find a dead model of either on the market now though

They sound like they mean business though don’t they? Think about a T7 175. Rated 140 boosting to 175. Sound like they could pull spin the world round on its axis though.

 

[Wellytrack]

Oooh! Can’t agree there, I’m afraid.

If they sound as good and can still make you feel like million dollars driving them when they look like this after 25 years of work, I’ll continue to be hooked
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Yea, a 5 ton tractor, on narrow tyres, And it’s probably doing 140-150 at the shaft. That’s as much as a lower hp T7 now.

Nothing from back then was anything like what it should have been.

 

[dave mountain]

They sound like they mean business though don’t they? Think about a T7 175. Rated 140 boosting to 175. Sound like they could pull spin the world round on its axis though.

They do indeed, my main tractor is a T7.170, it is doing 200+ at the shaft though

 

[michael N123]

t6.160 and t6.180 are exactly the same size as the 4 cylinder equivalent. Gone are the days of a ts115 being a foot or so longer than a ts110.

Yea, a 5 ton tractor, on narrow tyres, And it’s probably doing 140-150 at the shaft. That’s as much as a lower hp T7 now.

Nothing from back then was anything like what it should have been.

where as a T6 160 will probably be nearer 110hp at the shaft