Hoeing

[ajd132]

What are you thinking in terms of hoe to work on 30cm rows - Einbock, Garford, modified Beet hoe or similar? Steering?

Not sure yet, looking at options. Will definitely need an eye of some sort.

 

[The_Swede]

I see the Einbock Chopstar (20-30cm) is offered manually guided or with the magic eye type steering. Manually tractor steered at those tight row spacings must be slow and a nightmare!?

 

[ajd132]

I see the Einbock Chopstar (20-30cm) is offered manually guided or with the magic eye type steering. Manually tractor steered at those tight row spacings must be slow and a nightmare!?

Yes it would be a crap job to do. I think a 12m hoe to fit with drill would be excellent for timeliness and work rates.

 

[York]

BG & hoeing: hoeing will be just a mechanical bandage.
look at the "biology" of BG, "get rid of why they thrive" and increase bio diversity = more bugs. This bugs will work on the seed to not germinate. Ton's of good research done, even in Edinburgh & Rothemstead on the topic of surface & subsurface critter diversity working on seed.
So no worries needed and no need for "doing the role backwards" with hoeing.
York-Th.

 

[ajd132]

BG & hoeing: hoeing will be just a mechanical bandage.
look at the "biology" of BG, "get rid of why they thrive" and increase bio diversity = more bugs. This bugs will work on the seed to not germinate. Ton's of good research done, even in Edinburgh & Rothemstead on the topic of surface & subsurface critter diversity working on seed.
So no worries needed and no need for "doing the role backwards" with hoeing.
York-Th.

you obviously don't have very bad blackgrass in Germany.

 

[Louis Mc]

Is hoeing not going against no-till and conservation agriculture principles? Just throwing it out there, it will also cost a fair bit to do it multiple times I'd say

 

[Feldspar]

@ajd132 has already heard this, but I challenge someone to inter-row hoe this and take out most of the BG:

 

[York]

you obviously don't have very bad blackgrass in Germany.

yes, we have BG in Germany, also Austria, France & other countries. I can foresee from my office desk who has got & or will have BG when I look at the soil sample results. So far <90% foreseeing rate.
= my conclusion: it's not only a rotational but a soil chemistry thing.
York-Th.

 

[damaged]

Long rotation organic land with shed loads of farm yard manure, now out of five years lucerne into winter wheat. Absolutely over run with spring germinated black grass. So bad it's all going to whole crop silage. Deviation. I would like to think York is correct but I find no evidence on this fertile high o.m. no spray land. The field next to it was dd and pre em . Clean of black grass.

 

[ajd132]

yes, we have BG in Germany, also Austria, France & other countries. I can foresee from my office desk who has got & or will have BG when I look at the soil sample results. So far <90% foreseeing rate.
= my conclusion: it's not only a rotational but a soil chemistry thing.
York-Th.

"Desk" being the the principle word of that statement.
I do agree with changing the chemistry of the soil but in a real world situation some inter-row hoeing is going to do some good and will help get BG population down.

 

[ajd132]

Is hoeing not going against no-till and conservation agriculture principles? Just throwing it out there, it will also cost a fair bit to do it multiple times I'd say

Why? It's abit of soil disturbance, is that really the be all and end all?

 

[dontknowanything]

Why a hoe and not band spraying with diquat?

Diquat very poor at killing BG. Desiccated some peas last year with very bad BG, was surprised to see no effect on the BG. Only afterwards did I ask agronomist, who broke the bad news.

 

[Louis Mc]

Why? It's abit of soil disturbance, is that really the be all and end all?

I don't know, die Gar

"Desk" being the the principle word of that statement.
I do agree with changing the chemistry of the soil but in a real world situation some inter-row hoeing is going to do some good and will help get BG population down.

if quite a few people are seeing good results from low disturbance drilling might you just encourage more bg to grow by hoeing??

 

[ajd132]

I don't know, die Gar

if quite a few people are seeing good results from low disturbance drilling might you just encourage more bg to grow by hoeing??

Yes possibly, but we have same amount of BG where it was no till or cultivated. I'd rather how out winter germinated BG with the risk of some much smaller Spring sown BG germinating?

 

[Clive]

@ajd132 has already heard this, but I challenge someone to inter-row hoe this and take out most of the BG:
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fantastic example of all thats wrong about strip till right there !

 

[yellow belly]

on our heavy land hoeing is a non starter too wet or the weeds are too well atached hoeing will be ok on easier working soil that grow beet and potatoes

better option would be to get some livestock or a biodigester and grow grass

then run a spring barley wheat rape wheat beans wheat grass 3 years rotation

 

[mikep]

Diquat very poor at killing BG. Desiccated some peas last year with very bad BG, was surprised to see no effect on the BG. Only afterwards did I ask agronomist, who broke the bad news.

Bugger didn't know that, oh well back to TVO.

 

[franklin]

I think something akin to this:

http://www.nittygritty.co.uk/products/52/the_nitty_gritty_comb/

Could quite easily remove the seed heads from the BG plants if the number I have caught between the weights on the weight block on the sprayer during T2s were anything to go by. Admit its not killing the plant, but every little helps.

 

[Darren]

Wonder what a stripper header would do to bg at the mo before the wheat came out in ear?

 

[The_Swede]

Comb-Cut

http://www.justcommonsense.eu/en/ogras

Not seen one in flesh personally but friends have, effective but can take a bit of setting up so i'm told