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[Clive]

I suppose a bit of coin to be made from dressings.

Id like to see good trials from fss cleaned professionallly vs off the heap clean

there is a few £ to be made from contract spraying, combining , ploughing even .....................but I don't see big national merchants rushing to buy up ag contracting business ?

I spy bigger agenda here ........... we should be concerned IMO

 

[SilliamWhale]

there is a few £ to be made from contract spraying, combining , ploughing even .....................but I don't see big national merchants rushing to buy up ag contracting business ?

I spy bigger agenda here ........... we should be concerned IMO

Ive always wondered why seed cleaning set ups have to be so expensive. I mean when i see the lorry i get that there is a good investment but never really understood why a cheaper farmer style system has never got developed for a few grand.

 

[Clive]

Ive always wondered why seed cleaning set ups have to be so expensive. I mean when i see the lorry i get that there is a good investment but never really understood why a cheaper farmer style system has never got developed for a few grand.

i put our own in for just this reason, it's funny that it seems to be something most farmers don't want to do themselves but is really very easy

the mark up on seed dressings is massive - buying it in 20L drums is a LOT cheaper than paying for it per T applied

 

[SilliamWhale]

i put our own in for just this reason, it's funny that it seems to be something most farmers don't want to do themselves but is really very easy

the mark up on seed dressings is massive - buying it in 20L drums is a LOT cheaper than paying for it per T applied

But your system was a pricey one wasnt it?

 

[Robigus]

Can anyone recommend any independent companies in east anglia? Our current one has just been bought by frontier... not good and certainly not independent any more
I heard Premier seeds are very good but don't see them about too much

I can heartily recommend that you stick with both Anglia Grain and Adnams.

 

[Clive]

But your system was a pricey one wasnt it?

cleaner cost about 10k plus installation but its mostly used for grain cleaning pre store and distressed loads for merchants and seed cleaning is just another use - no need to spend that kind of money though, ours is a 60t/hr set up that way more than needed, I see simple gravity cleaners for sale for under £1000 in the classified here in the past

 

[Flat 10]

cleaner cost about 10k plus installation but its mostly used for grain cleaning pre store and distressed loads for merchants and seed cleaning is just another use - no need to spend that kind of money though, ours is a 60t/hr set up that way more than needed, I see simple gravity cleaners for sale for under £1000 in the classified here in the past

Most seed cleaner lorries have more than a simple gravity cleaner though don't they?

 

[Tractor Boy]

there is a few £ to be made from contract spraying, combining , ploughing even .....................but I don't see big national merchants rushing to buy up ag contracting business ?

I spy bigger agenda here ........... we should be concerned IMO

Several of the companies that made up frontier have been involved in farm services and contracting for years. Potato seed treating, store gassing, contract spraying, Avadex application, nematocides application.... the list goes on. I don't really think you thought about your post before writing.

 

[Clive]

Several of the companies that made up frontier have been involved in farm services and contracting for years. Potato seed treating, store gassing, contract spraying, Avadex application, nematocides application.... the list goes on. I don't really think you thought about your post before writing.

No I have thought about it

I think the long term aim here is to reduce the economics of FSS for farmers as there is a lot more money in selling new seed

 

[Clive]

Most seed cleaner lorries have more than a simple gravity cleaner though don't they?

Is it really needed ? Nothing wrong with seed from our cleaner and it's a rotary not really designed for cleaning to seed standard at all, we just run it at 10t/hr instead of 60 and it perfectly capable

 

[Steevo]

i put our own in for just this reason, it's funny that it seems to be something most farmers don't want to do themselves but is really very easy

the mark up on seed dressings is massive - buying it in 20L drums is a LOT cheaper than paying for it per T applied

Care to put any numbers to the seed dressing cost please?

 

[Tractor Boy]

Care to put any numbers to the seed dressing cost please?

I'm not 100% sure but I think there is a lot of seed treatments that an individual farmer would not be able to buy anyway. The seed treater part on a lot of these treatment lorries is not owned by the firm that owns the rest of the lorry but by the chemical manufacturer. This is to ensure application is up to standard.
Also there is the fact that home treating seed yourself would require PA 11 I think it is.

 

[The_Swede]

Make sure you have the 'dressing equipment' MOT'd - it is a pesticide applicator after all...

 

[DrWazzock]

Our cereals go through the Kongskilde cleaner which is part of our grain conveying system and that's it. Turn the wind well up. Never had a problem. Blows out small grains and rubbish which we roll for the cattle.

OSR is such small quantities that I just pour it out of a bucket in front of an old grain bin air blower.

Never used dressings or tested the seed and never had any more problems with it than bought in stuff. Have often paid top price for seed and found it to be worse than the stuff in our barn, full of ergot, overthreshed cracked grains or some such and the answer is always that it tested 95% plus for germination. Maybe it did, but it still looks like a crap sample.

 

[Tractor Boy]

No I have thought about it

I think the long term aim here is to reduce the economics of FSS for farmers as there is a lot more money in selling new seed

You might be right about the reason but agricultural merchants are not new to contracting services.

 

[Flat 10]

Is it really needed ? Nothing wrong with seed from our cleaner and it's a rotary not really designed for cleaning to seed standard at all, we just run it at 10t/hr instead of 60 and it perfectly capable

May be not. Just saying mine produces an excellent sample.

 

[David.]

I'm quite certain you can clean the grain perfectly well; the treatment part though, applying 1 ot 1.5 litre/ton as a uniform application to each grain I very much doubt is feasible.
Ok if not needing treatment though.

 

[Lincsman]

i put our own in for just this reason, it's funny that it seems to be something most farmers don't want to do themselves but is really very easy

the mark up on seed dressings is massive - buying it in 20L drums is a LOT cheaper than paying for it per T applied

Price the dressing active ingredients as normal fungicide, see the astronomical mark ups then, the amount/ha is then not much more than pence

 

[Clive]

I'm quite certain you can clean the grain perfectly well; the treatment part though, applying 1 ot 1.5 litre/ton as a uniform application to each grain I very much doubt is feasible.
Ok if not needing treatment though.

It's very easy - we made a fancy applicator (was still pretty cheap) but many just use a pipe running into an auger and it works

 

[Clive]

Make sure you have the 'dressing equipment' MOT'd - it is a pesticide applicator after all...

And your operators need the correct Pa module

Neither hard though or in surmountable and the savings are dramatic