What do you think of Pronto NT as a CTF no till drill ?
http://www.horsch.com/en/products/seeding-technology/disc-seed-drills/pronto-nt/
http://www.horsch.com/en/products/seeding-technology/disc-seed-drills/pronto-nt/
Horsch Pronto NT ?
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Coulters and cutting disc looks very similar to Great Plains no till drill.
There is some truth in that Clive, but it has great significance for a lot of farmers in Australia.
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That's obviously a BS sweeping statement, but I can't be bothered to get into it again.
we will have to agree to disagree, I honestly think it's a complete irrelevance to control traffic on soils that have no structure problems or where yields are not limited by compaction etc
under a tillage regime though I think its a great idea
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Ironic that the area which uses the most CTF, Australia, does it in conjunction with no till, primarily to conserve moisture. Something hat I seem to recall you're fairly keen on.
i think its mostly a fashion thing, great way to part farmers from money
I really can't see how CTF would help moisture in my soils
For CTF to be any value you need to have soils that are being restricted by compaction - I don't think mine are very much
heavily cultivated soils are easy compacted so I can see a value in CTF there or in systems where you have to use very heavy machinery but a 710 6psi tyre on a 8t tractor on a green cover well structured zero-till soil in timely good conditions just isn't going to be causing you compaction in the first place
think light land technically compacts easier than heavy ? - more of a fine silt fraction ?
my soils were very easy compacted when we cultivated them, still would be if we started cultivating again im sure and then I would use CTF, we have all we need to do it here already
not all my land is 'light' either @Simon Chiles land is VERY heavy, he doesn't seemed to suffer from compaction from anything I have seen...............I guess we are just lucky ?
Well I certainly agree that a well structured soil will compact less and that is something we are trying to achieve on the arable parts of our farm. So you're not just lucky obviously, but no doubt that in a damper time even well structured heavy land is going to compact worse than well structured light land, and the opportunity and ease of correcting it is far more limited as well. Which is why CTF is not a waste of time in my opinion. Even just basic stuff like keeping corn trailers and bale trailers to the tramlines. I may sing a different tune once we are hopefully a few years into strip tilling our heavy clays but I can't ever imagine keeping traffic management and unnecessary wheelings to a minimum on such land being unimportant.
you're going to see some benefit with strip till but only the tip of a big iceberg really IMO
I think the primary reason for CTF promotion is parting farmers from cash really
don't assume light soil is any less able to compact than heavy clay though, when we used to cultivate the sprayer would travel without making mess on heavy ground far sooner than it would go on the light stuff which was bottomless
to some extent I do control traffic - chaser bin and combine / sprayer that much is common sense really and doesn't need a trendy title ! What I don't get is the need to do it with the drill at all, if your drill can compact you have the wrong drill / tractor IMO !