How much Soya would be grown

[milkloss]

hence why they avoid you!?

Now you're getting complicated!

 

[SilliamWhale]

And sadly it's one of the worst oils/fats there is for human health. 54% omega 6 but only 8% omega 3. Thankfully it's not used that much in processed crap manufacture in this country. Sadly the US punter isn't so lucky.

Butter is better!

 

[Bill the Bass]

And that is the crux of it. Richard Young represents the middle ground. Many farmers would regard him as a 'greenie', vegans would regard him as 'the enemy'. The rational thinking majority of the public would regard him as entirely sensible.

The thing is though, with the rise of the internet and social media, attention span’s have reduced and tend to only respond to extreme, negative views. The whole raison d’etre of the Internet and social media ‘instant message’ has set a perfect platform for the sensational lies and rubbish that animal welfare/vegan types love to spread. The sensible, middle ground doesn’t really exist as it used to.

 

[Red Fred]

The thing is though, with the rise of the internet and social media, attention span’s have reduced and tend to only respond to extreme, negative views. The whole raison d’etre of the Internet and social media ‘instant message’ has set a perfect platform for the sensational lies and rubbish that animal welfare/vegan types love to spread. The sensible, middle ground doesn’t really exist as it used to.

I made the mistake of commenting on a random Vegan page that came up on my Facebook feed . I have never come across so much vitriol, even though I went out of my way to be polite- I have nothing against vegans per se, but trying to explain concepts such as SSSIs, farming in a Ramsar nature area, breeding rare breeds, etc, etc, is like beating your head against a brick wall. Mrs Fred and my sister have ordered me not to look at it any more as it gets me so wound up from all the personal abuse.
On a positive note, however, it is interesting to see that the overwhelming majority of comments are from ordinary folks who support animal farming and are tired of the extreme propaganda from people telling us we are evil. I can't help thinking that when the term "Farmer" becomes a term of abuse for a significant chunk of our pampered populations, then maybe the end of our time in the west has come and it is time to let other more robust cultures lead the way.

 

[Raider112]

I made the mistake of commenting on a random Vegan page that came up on my Facebook feed . I have never come across so much vitriol, even though I went out of my way to be polite- I have nothing against vegans per se, but trying to explain concepts such as SSSIs, farming in a Ramsar nature area, breeding rare breeds, etc, etc, is like beating your head against a brick wall. Mrs Fred and my sister have ordered me not to look at it any more as it gets me so wound up from all the personal abuse.
On a positive note, however, it is interesting to see that the overwhelming majority of comments are from ordinary folks who support animal farming and are tired of the extreme propaganda from people telling us we are evil. I can't help thinking that when the term "Farmer" becomes a term of abuse for a significant chunk of our pampered populations, then maybe the end of our time in the west has come and it is time to let other more robust cultures lead the way.

I reckon there's something lacking in their diet to make them so intolerant and abusive.
A good way to prove the point is to suggest that to them.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I made the mistake of commenting on a random Vegan page that came up on my Facebook feed . I have never come across so much vitriol, even though I went out of my way to be polite- I have nothing against vegans per se, but trying to explain concepts such as SSSIs, farming in a Ramsar nature area, breeding rare breeds, etc, etc, is like beating your head against a brick wall. Mrs Fred and my sister have ordered me not to look at it any more as it gets me so wound up from all the personal abuse.
On a positive note, however, it is interesting to see that the overwhelming majority of comments are from ordinary folks who support animal farming and are tired of the extreme propaganda from people telling us we are evil. I can't help thinking that when the term "Farmer" becomes a term of abuse for a significant chunk of our pampered populations, then maybe the end of our time in the west has come and it is time to let other more robust cultures lead the way.

they remind me of short people or small dogs - proportion of noise that comes Out from them is not relative to their size (or numbers!)

 

[Lewis821]

Can we grow soya in the UK
And if so why don’t we ???

Don’t even go there Cutting December last year

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Don’t even go there Cutting December last year

And that field is a bit better than the one with fat hen near me!

 

[Kevtherev]

Can we grow soya in the UK
And if so why don’t we ???

Pretty sure there is some grown here but our climate doesn’t suit it.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Don’t even go there Cutting December last year

That looks better than my field of DD'd spring barley this year.

 

[PaulNix]

Having had a look at soybean and soybean oil production figures from SOPA for last year you'd need 80% of what's currently grown just to keep up with the demand for soybean oil. Then you have to factor in replacement for animal sourced fats and proteins, so that means you'd still need the other 20%. All in all, I don't think you'd see any reduction from not having livestock around.

That is basically spot on from what I read on a forum for fairly high level maths type people ( I got onto it by accident ! ) but in a nutshell it was a question posed to get the smart math types to use their brains and the upshot is without actually realising what they were working out they all came to the conclusion the same area of protein crops would need to be grown.
Once they were told what the figures actually ment some tried to back out of it because of the often told lie that then becomes so repeated they believe it but a few who realised then went farther to say in that case we would need more land to grow crops as a lot of the livestock would be in area's unsuitable for cropping and without livestock being in a rotation the fertility would drop so actually be more land into cropping.

 

[Flatlander]

Don’t even go there Cutting December last year

Looking on the bright side if you’d have had a lexion with wheels they’d would have had to come off the get the cylinder out were you using a flex head or rigid grain head. A flex will shave the ground and make cutting beans less frustrating. Two years ago we were so wet that the combine sank even with 36 inch tracks. Had to wait until it froze hard enough. But that came with snow. Had to remove side panels to keep the combine cold inside to stop the snow from melting so it would blow out. Minus 20 was hard on the combine belts but no ruts.

 

[alomy75]

Pretty sure there is some grown here but our climate doesn’t suit it.

We grew some for seed years ago for Wherrys I believe. No sprays but the pheasants loved it and also we had to irrigate it . As above; late harvest too although we got away with October when October was a dry month. Went to a soya uk demo few years ago on a farm Stamford way who grew a lot and got on well with it. Seem to recall there’s an issue with bps and the very late drilling date if you read the small print. Not that that will soon be an issue

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Why can't we grow field beans as a livestock protein source?

One reason is that the trade don't like it because they are cheap to grow. So they come out with little sayings like don't grow them more than one year in 5.

They never said that about rape when most farmers were growing it one in 3 did they? The reason being that the trade does very well out of rape and they wanted as much grown as possible.

As for soya, if we keep getting these wet autumns, the value of the crop won't justify the cost of combining or risk of no harvest.

 

[Hindsight]

Why can't we grow field beans as a livestock protein source?

One reason is that the trade don't like it because they are cheap to grow. So they come out with little sayings like don't grow them more than one year in 5.

They never said that about rape when most farmers were growing it one in 3 did they? The reason being that the trade does very well out of rape and they wanted as much grown as possible.

As for soya, if we keep getting these wet autumns, the value of the crop won't justify the cost of combining or risk of no harvest.

If you have ever seen a field of Beans heavily infected with Stem Nematode (Ditylenchus) or peas succumb to Foo rots then you might have some appreciation of the five year rotation break. Isn't the trade focussing on sales of inputs. And for Peas that five year break is to close anyway.

 

[Boysground]

I fed a lot of beans to my dairy last winter, most were home grown and the rest came from a neighbour. The cows milked ok on them but still had to feed some rape meal. I’m not the expert here but there is an issue with beans lacking lysine (I think it’s that one) so you can’t rely on them for all the protein.

My milk contract does not allow me to feed soya. Not that it makes much difference because we didn’t feed soya before we were on this contract

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[Kevtherev]

Couple of places tried lupins as a protein source don’t think they did as well as expected.
What would replace soya in a ration for poultry and pigs?
An industry that’s increased dramatically in the last few years.