How to become a member of the Society of Ploughmen?

Discussion in 'Competition Ploughing' started by Farmerpickle, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. Howard150

    Howard150 Member

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    Yorkshire
    Truth to tell Bob then there's enough good men over here already with the requisite skills to engineer, teach and plough, distanced/alienated by the 'incestuous' nature of the setup.
     
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  2. ploughman61

    ploughman61 Member

    How recent did this happen?
     
  3. tcn ploughman

    tcn ploughman Member

    Within the last month
     
  4. Ley253

    Ley253 Member

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    Bath
    Bob,
    problem with training new blood is this.Top men want to hang on to the laurels for as long as poss, and they will train people up to a point, but no further. They dont want to train their own executioner!
     
  5. Howard150

    Howard150 Member

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    Yorkshire
    Sorry Harry but this is supposed to be a team event - the key to the detail is England - not nepotism or incest! Always been a similar scenario throughout the pecking order where guys will send novices into information overlad, knowing full well they are unable to absorb it all, only to become secretive or give misinformation when the novice becomes a threat.
    Again - enough good men and true both engineers and ploughmen here in abundance already, apart from those who actually did represent England. A team effort which by definition should not be for narcissistic individuals.
    A team is nothing and never will be without a youth policy.
    Whilst you are correct in your assesment of the situation you outline Harry, it is a far cry from how things should be.
     
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  6. Ley253

    Ley253 Member

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    Dave, your interpretation of "Team" differs from mine.In my world, a team consists of many members ,all taking part in the activity/contest, and having direct contact with each other. Two, or perhaps three individuals, in separate machines, in separate fields who cannot influence each others work, are a collection of individuals.
    Correctly labelling would have our contestants in the world match called the English representatives.
     
  7. Howard150

    Howard150 Member

    Location:
    Yorkshire
    Eyup Harry

    One on' us is lyin'!

    Given the hard evidence written on two of the fleeces given to me whilst ploughing for said National Team, then I would have said 'not me your honour' but the there is one school of thought on here reckons I tell fibs.

    Your need for correctness, unfortunately, whilst being right that the team players are indeed 'English Representatives', appears not to be entirely correct. Devils advocate foiled again! (n)

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  8. Ley253

    Ley253 Member

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    So the wrong description is on the fleece.Its a strange "team" ,in which members cannot assist each other during the contest!
     
  9. Mydexta

    Mydexta Member

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    Splitting hairs here are we not gents


    Think of the Ryder cup, win your own battles to help the greater team overall!!!!

    Same as fishing, it's you against the man in the boat, nobody can help you, but ultimately, you're doing it for a team.
     
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  10. Howard150

    Howard150 Member

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    Yorkshire
    Twixt thee n' me my considered opinion is that Harry seriously missed his way in life, either by not being a barrister, making a living out of bended truths, or even another Bill Clinton the famed POTUSA who definitely did not have any kind of sexual relationship with said Monica - despite the bodily fluid belonging him on her dress.

    When those fleeces were printed, three of us went together. First time me along with Cousin Ray and Richard Ingram. Second time me, Richard Ingram and John Milnes. Now whether or not t'scoolin's different up North to what it is down int' favoured realms then I'm not sure, but we were allus taught that if more than 1 person went to an event, all of them representing the same body, then they had gone as a team. Forgive me for observance, which does not seem to fall in line with yours Harry, but do our Olympians not go as a team?

    Surely you are not hinting at the fact that the SOP are misinformed liars are you Harry, after all it was they who had the embroidery done!:scratchhead::D:D
     
  11. Ley253

    Ley253 Member

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    Bath
    In my book to be a team sport ploughing would need to have teams of about four competitors, and the total points gained would fix the destiny of the championship. Following on from this, if one of the competitors had to be under 24 for example, there would be a rush to find and train suitable people.
     
  12. Howard150

    Howard150 Member

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    Yorkshire
    Grain or grape?

    Destiny arrived at, a new calling Harry. First off the book 'The world according to Harry', then the spinoffs - movie and television rights - then the icing on the cake. 'Judge Harry' as in Judge Rinder!

    Elitism at its worst Harry. Even you should know that there is more to ploughing than World Style and probably a much bigger pool of talent other than available to world style. Stick at it Harry, English talent in this discipline is minimal at present to say the least. You could do well.

    With regard to your last statement, if a youth policy had been in place over the years, instead of the closet 'keep it for yourself' brigade, then a rush to train new talent would not be necessary. Picking winners has in the past yielded poor results for England over the last 10 years. The blame for this rests firmly on one doorstep and one only.
     
  13. Ley253

    Ley253 Member

    Location:
    Bath
    Elitism at its worst? Really? The idea of four competitors was to make it poss to have them from all styles of work, and, having competed in vintage trailed, high cut, as well as world style, I am well aware that there is a large pool of talent. However, just how much of that talent is interested in competing in the world match? Not much is my guess, look at the number of ex world style men in classic.I used the term "style" because, given a few days familiarisation with any mounted plough, any good ploughman could make a decent fist of using it, trailed men could take a little longer, but the result would be the same.
    The requirement to field four(or more) contestants, one a junior could force a training and youth policy.
    You mention the" keep it to yourself brigade", the very men who I have said, do not want to train their executioner!
    Another problem is evident in that the work marked well at judges seminars has very little in common with that required by the world organisation, or so it seems from studying the judges briefing page from the world in Denmark! Some of the photos are even copyrighted to a K Chappell! You may remember the openings I photographed and sent you, the one you liked, was as close as poss to the world example. Had the lowest points of the three here though.
     

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