Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
How much do you think you'll save doing it yourself? Doesn't take long for a experienced squad to put one up. What about insurance if it's put up yourself.
How Tricky Is It To Put A Shed Up Yourself?
- Thread starter franklin
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We are looking at putting up a few sheds , we will be using a proper man for the job , it would take us a lot longer to do ourselves , worried that the foundations would not be 100% right etc and would be putting the cost of erection against building repairs on other buildings
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
No insurer has ever asked me who erected our sheds.
the roof is easy enough ones you have done a few sheets
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
It's getting the first sheets on right on each side that is key. After that they go on well.
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Seems strange they need to be ce registered when built but erection doesn't matter for insurance purposes.
I don't think they need to be ce marked if they are made by yourself.
25 meter by 11 is my project this year.
Forever Fendt
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- Location
- Derbyshire
I have just gone dizzy
- Location
- Near Colchester
I have done a half dozen myself - for myself, the last couple I have paid someone else to do it - all done and dusted in a few days, took me weeks between other jobs to do my ones, HSE and roof nets scared me off.
They were all 5000 square feet jobs, the most recent cost about £7K extra to have done professionally, money well spent, try having an accident.
They were all 5000 square feet jobs, the most recent cost about £7K extra to have done professionally, money well spent, try having an accident.
CE marking... I think the insurers may take a different view if you have to make a claim in the event of a collapse. Steel buildings sold into the market need to comply with the CE marking BS EN 1090 series. Part of this code relates to the structural design. When a building frame is designed the Engineer takes into account a number of factors such as the tolerances in the erection and in the steel as this causes a number of effects. The tolerances are controlled by the standards and backed up with industry guidance such as that issued by the British Constructional Steelwork Association.
If the frame is not erected in compliance with the code tolerances the design could well be rendered invalid and thus you have a non compliant building. I would always recommend that you check with your insurers and your Structural Engineer before attempting to erect a frame yourself.
While you may feel that seeking professional advice before embarking on a project is not worthwhile a little money spent at the beginning could pay dividends. You will find that many Engineers will be more than happy to give you a few pointers free of charge. Insurers are being made well aware of the CE marking process by those companies who do not embrace the cowboy culture and it is only a matter of time before more claims will be refused.
I would suggest you check this as one of the codes under pinning the CE mark is BS EN 1090. Part of this code relates to the quality of the workmanship during the fabrication process. When Engineers design buildings they assume that a certain standard of workmanship has been achieved. Many people think that even if their welding skills are not up to that of a professional it will be ok to just make the weld leg longer, increase the penetration etc. This can impact on the ductility of the underlying steel for example. This causes effects that can be dangerous.
If you have to make an insurance claim or someone is hurt you could well find that the onus falls on you to prove that the design was sound and the workmanship did not compromise the design.
I would recommend that you seek professional advice before proceeding as if someone is hurt it will be a heavy burden to carry.....
Before you do please consider that cutting off the bolt can introduce a zone of weakness in the concrete. Installation of a remedial resin anchor could easily reduce the resistance of the connection. Often frame base connections are designed so that they will also safe during the erection stage so you are taking a big risk doing this.
Many connections are also designed to help reduce the horizontal and vertical deflection of the eaves and apex. If your base bolts start to pull one frame can move than intended relative to the other frames. One effect, as well as being dangerous, is that it causes over stress in the cladding fixings which ovals out the fixing holes. A consequence of this is that your roof will probably start to leak, not last and your cladding guarantee will be void.
You should consider seeking some professional advice as this often can pay dividends.
Yup, good points. Though I'd be more concerned about cold laps/lack of penetration more than loosing ductility.
I'm satisfied my welding is up to standard,been doing it 21 years basic codes have been passed 16 years ago, spent the last 14 years welding/fabricating as my main income. The shed is a copy of an existing (well respected company) shed on the estate. Nothing designed by me, just redrawn on the computer to get the dimensions.
You seem clued up on engineering, what's your history?
Hello Davie?
I'm a Structural Engineer and just joined this forum out of interest. There are some interesting and varied discussions. What about you ?
Gus
So what you're saying is....we should all employ the services of a structural engineer ?
It's a phenomenally good resource this site, a wealth of information!
Grew up on farm, started welding through need, enjoyed it, so started doing projects. Wanted to go out to Canada so decided to get the welding certificates as an extra point, never did go back, but set up a small business here doing general welding jobs for farming/builders/forestry and the odd gate and railings. Cutting back on that now and spending more time farming. Or trying to!
I'm finding now I don't want the work as much I'm making more!
Sshhhh!!!.... We subtly pick their brains when we get stuck or doubt somethingSo what you're saying is....we should all employ the services of a structural engineer ?
Very interesting. There are many members here which contribute to the pool of knowledge. Making informed choices is one of the keys to life. If you post any engineering type questions I will do my best to respond if I can.