Humic acid coated granular fertiliser

[Louis Mc]

Anyone any experience of it? Anyone think it's worthwhile per suing ?

 

[SilliamWhale]

How much extra?

 

[Louis Mc]

How much extra?

Roughly €20/tonne but I don't yet know how much humic you actually get for that

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'm a sceptic

 

[Louis Mc]

I'm a sceptic

Theory is good but getting meaningful amounts out is another thing

 

[Clive]

If you want humic it's probably cheaper to buy it in a can and spray it ?

 

[Louis Mc]

If you want humic it's probably cheaper to buy it in a can and spray it ?

Probably, just wondering if it's of benefit to have it applied with the nitrogen

 

[Clive]

Probably, just wondering if it's of benefit to have it applied with the nitrogen

i would say (but don't know !) its best applied to paces that fungi hang out like rotting organic matter etc as its simply just a food source for them

applying with N holds no benefit I can think of other than doing 2 jobs in one pass ?

I was told by someone a few years ago (cant recall who but might have been Mike Harrington ??) that late autumn in wet conditions was best onto stubbles or dead cover crops

 

[dontknowanything]

I think putting on a few kg/ha of humic acid is pissing in the ocean compared to what will already be there

 

[Louis Mc]

i would say (but don't know !) its best applied to paces that fungi hang out like rotting organic matter etc as its simply just a food source for them

applying with N holds no benefit I can think of other than doing 2 jobs in one pass ?

I was told by someone a few years ago (cant recall who but might have been Mike Harrington ??) that late autumn in wet conditions was best onto stubbles or dead cover crops

Interesting

 

[Louis Mc]

I think putting on a few kg/ha of humic acid is pissing in the ocean compared to what will already be there

More than likely this is the case

 

[bactosoil]

I think putting on a few kg/ha of humic acid is pissing in the ocean compared to what will already be there

completely agree a few kilo's seem pointless but look it in another way akin to a key or a detonator , its the chain of events it starts that's important ,and have seen
some very good results with low rate acids

 

[Louis Mc]

completely agree a few kilo's seem pointless but look it in another way akin to a key or a detonator , its the chain of events it starts that's important ,and have seen
some very good results with low rate acids

Care to share??

 

[Clive]

I think putting on a few kg/ha of humic acid is pissing in the ocean compared to what will already be there

I would agree but did once see some stunning results from humic, applications, not on my farm and not under a zero-till regime but the result was hard to dispute or put down to anything else

I have tried it once on a split field and saw no result however

 

[York]

just do your own research on humic acid application. tons of good sound data out there, especially if you speak more than English.
Works very well in conjunction with N. It's not the direct effect by the amount but the indirect effect it has on the changed N "consumption" of the crops & biology & the effects on biology it has.
If you can make it work with spraying it on in a bulk blender, it will be very beneficial.
Watch out for interesting products coming in the near future. EU is a little "backwards" on this topic, certainly not Yara in other parts of this world.
Question for them is the change in colour, lower acceptance is feared.
York-Th.

 

[dontknowanything]

just do your own research on humic acid application. tons of good sound data out there, especially if you speak more than English.
Works very well in conjunction with N. It's not the direct effect by the amount but the indirect effect it has on the changed N "consumption" of the crops & biology & the effects on biology it has.
If you can make it work with spraying it on in a bulk blender, it will be very beneficial.
Watch out for interesting products coming in the near future. EU is a little "backwards" on this topic, certainly not Yara in other parts of this world.
Question for them is the change in colour, lower acceptance is feared.
York-Th.

Stop being so cryptic, and post some links! No point in just alluding to magical things that may be out there.

 

[Andy Howard]

I was going to try some this year but they haven't got their stuff in order yet . Idea is you can reduce N rate by about 20% but they will probably sell it as improving efficiency and so use the same for more yield. Idea is the complex carbon molecules in humics reduce leaching and volatilisation and feed plants slower which is better. Humics in liquid form can cause issues when using sulphur in a mix. Molasses is better for liquid applications in terms of mixing but not as good as humic in terms of N savings. As York says it is nothing new.

 

[Louis Mc]

Stop being so cryptic, and post some links! No point in just alluding to magical things that may be out there.

The season that's in it I suppose...

 

[bactosoil]

Care to share??

First of all I still don't believe there is a standardized test for humic acid so to start with all users may experience different results depending on supply
but biology is subtle and using humic acid as a biological stimulant would I suggest mean more than one or two applications before benefits really begin
Acid applications monthly do make a great difference but all again depends on the biological status of your soils and what you are trying to achieve.
Some acids effect and benefit the biology in soil while others can influence trigger things like a plants SAR response

Not sure which new products 'York' is eluding to but yes I am aware of new products coming , trouble is that technology
and testing has to come on leaps and bounds in order to follow progress and benefits that these new products bring to give confidence moving forward