Hung out to dry ?

[steveR]

Woody Johnson and Liam Fox did a deal under the table yonks ago. I'm convinced of it

Well, then it will be the only deal he ever managed....

 

[GeorgeC1]

I cannot help thinking that any deals on trade with the USA will always benefit the USA more their trading partners.

Interestingly the US don't really use trade deals for economics, often they get pretty much no benefit as the US is a gigantic closed market they use trade deals for political reasons mostly.

 

[Farmer1001]

Based on some comments and assumptions on the thread, a few clarifications are needed as follows.
1- lot of talk about US deal but the Bill affects our governments ability to do deals with anyone inc Asia, India, South America - the focus on chlorinated chicken and hormone beef takes your attention off the bigger picture and the markets around the world looking to supply the UKs affluent food service sector.
2 - "They can send as much chlorinated chicken over as they like, but I won't be knowingly buying or eating it" agreed you wont know, because we wont be importing "whole chicken" with a big label on it. Food service is massive, not whole fresh oven ready chickens, but the stuff that goes in as "ingredients" to pies, ready meals, flavourings, fast foods. So no you wont know and nor will the general pop who wont care.
3 - "we need to import some food or we will starve and if the Americans replace what Europe has sent us in the past so what". I'll explain the obvious oversight in this comment - the US are not replacing what we have previously bought from "Europe" as "Europe" does not send us chlorinated chicken or hormone beef, its illegal. Assume you mean EU.

Ive read the BIll and TBH the amendments were unlikely to get much favour or support by a Tory government with such a massive majority, but make no mistake, this puts our Government one step closer to absolutely destroying many on the core Brit Ag food producers in the name of a desperate trade deal (I mean Brexit success). If any of the hard core few, who can see no wrong coming our way, and believe the Bill is the way to a stronger farming sector, then nows the time to explain.

 

[Wooly]

Perhaps the Americans are relaxing their standards to allow UK produce into their country?

With comments like that, I can see why you were deported to the Colony of NZ !!



The UK public didn't want to eat Polish beef when the supermarket shelves were empty last month.................so hopefully they won't wanrt hormone fed beef or chemical covered chicken from the U.S.A

 

[turbo]

Based on some comments and assumptions on the thread, a few clarifications are needed as follows.
1- lot of talk about US deal but the Bill affects our governments ability to do deals with anyone inc Asia, India, South America - the focus on chlorinated chicken and hormone beef takes your attention off the bigger picture and the markets around the world looking to supply the UKs affluent food service sector.
2 - "They can send as much chlorinated chicken over as they like, but I won't be knowingly buying or eating it" agreed you wont know, because we wont be importing "whole chicken" with a big label on it. Food service is massive, not whole fresh oven ready chickens, but the stuff that goes in as "ingredients" to pies, ready meals, flavourings, fast foods. So no you wont know and nor will the general pop who wont care.
3 - "we need to import some food or we will starve and if the Americans replace what Europe has sent us in the past so what". I'll explain the obvious oversight in this comment - the US are not replacing what we have previously bought from "Europe" as "Europe" does not send us chlorinated chicken or hormone beef, its illegal. Assume you mean EU.

Ive read the BIll and TBH the amendments were unlikely to get much favour or support by a Tory government with such a massive majority, but make no mistake, this puts our Government one step closer to absolutely destroying many on the core Brit Ag food producers in the name of a desperate trade deal (I mean Brexit success). If any of the hard core few, who can see no wrong coming our way, and believe the Bill is the way to a stronger farming sector, then nows the time to explain.

No they just send us horse meat labeled as beef

 

[turbo]

With comments like that, I can see why you were deported to the Colony of NZ !!



The UK public didn't want to eat Polish beef when the supermarket shelves were empty last month.................so hopefully they won't wanrt hormone fed beef or chemical covered chicken from the U.S.A

So true I did read somewhere how much polish beef was thrown away by the retailers it was a lot

 

[turbo]

With comments like that, I can see why you were deported to the Colony of NZ !!



The UK public didn't want to eat Polish beef when the supermarket shelves were empty last month.................so hopefully they won't wanrt hormone fed beef or chemical covered chicken from the U.S.A

So true I did read somewhere how much polish beef was thrown away by the retailers it was a lot

 

[Spuddler]

I cannot help thinking that any deals on trade with the USA will always benefit the USA more their trading partners.

Trump has always openly said from the start “America first”

 

[Farmer1001]

No they just send us horse meat labeled as beef

No they didnt, some unscrupulous meat traders broke the law and passed it off as beef.

 

[turbo]

No they didnt, some unscrupulous meat traders broke the law and passed it off as beef.

Did it come from the eu which is supposed to have the best standards in the world?was it labeled as beef from the eu with no checks done until trading standards rumbled them?

 

[Danllan]

...When are we going to learn, the UK public and government don’t care about British Ag. This is the reason I wanted to stay in Europe, so many people were passionate about things being better if we left! If this is the start of things to come it’s going to be interesting times.......

Yes, UK ag' is going to have to compete internationally; most of my lamb will still go abroad, most of my beef will still be sold on the domestic market. If I need to change things to ensure sales, I will.

Hopefully subsidy will go soon and everyone here will be competing in the same free market.

 

[Brisel]

A free market is a fallacy invented by economist text book writers.

 

[Tim W]

Exactly, i ranted and raved about this before the brexit election, now its clear, the EU protect agriculture, westminster are only interested in the general public(where all the votes are), what farmer in their right mind would vote for this???

I am shocked @Bossfarmer ---i agree with you for once

 

[neilo]

Did it come from the eu which is supposed to have the best standards in the world?was it labeled as beef from the eu with no checks done until trading standards rumbled them?

Are you for real? It was a rogue trader that happened to be in the EU, the same that some will be in the UK. Would you paint the whole of the UK industry with that brush, or just that individual company?

 

[An Gof]

Is there anyone on here that would seriously use Liz Truss to negotiate any important deal?
To my mind she epitomises an empty vessel ?

 

[Farmer1001]

Did it come from the eu which is supposed to have the best standards in the world?was it labeled as beef from the eu with no checks done until trading standards rumbled them?

Good grief man take the blinkers off, they acted illegally, and no amount of labels would have stopped it. Now tell me how this will be avoided in a deal with the US, Chinese or the South American’s or are you saying it’s only Europe with crooks?

 

[fgc325j]

I heard a snippet of news this morning on Radio 4 concerning something in todays Financial Times about the proposed trade agreement with the USA & a relaxation of standards to get the trade talks moving and in particular "agriculture ".Perhaps other forum members can put some meat on the bone on this one please !!

Some body posted an article on TFF last year about American Beef feedlots, and from what i remember, the price they received, on the hook,
was similar to ours. So the question is, after transport costs, is there enough margin in it for them to export it to the UK?

 

[Henarar]

Trump has always openly said from the start “America first”

Would have thought that was his job

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Would have thought that was his job

It's definitely his job, and he's on a countdown to a general election.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I suppose if you can wash a chicken in disinfectant then why can’t you wash a human.....in fact maybe just inject it!

We need to be factual dont we
Your salad is washed in disinfectant as you put it

The issue I believe is not, that it is ,but why it is [emoji1]