Hybrid Winter Barley

[Two Tone]

Take a look at dsv seeds sensation winter barley if your after a barley with high vigour,
We are growing it for the first time, very impressed so far all been sown dd too, it’s never looked back week earlier to head too.View attachment 967001

I’m interested to reopen this thread, specifically to hear from @APJ and others who have grown Sensation Winter Barley, in most cases probably planted for the first time in 2021:

1 Who supplied the seed (where was it processed)?
2 Did that seed turn up on time?
3 What date was it drilled?
4 How well did it yield at harvest 2022?
5 How well did it compare with Hybrid Barley, on Yield and BG suppression ability?

6 Have you continued to grow Sensation and/or Hybrids?

TIA

 

[DieselRob]

I’m interested to reopen this thread, specifically to hear from @APJ and others who have grown Sensation Winter Barley, in most cases probably planted for the first time in 2021:

1 Who supplied the seed (where was it processed)?
2 Did that seed turn up on time?
3 What date was it drilled?
4 How well did it yield at harvest 2022?
5 How well did it compare with Hybrid Barley, on Yield and BG suppression ability?

6 Have you continued to grow Sensation and/or Hybrids?

TIA

1) Agrovista
2) Yes
3) 26/09/21
4) Somewhere between 3-3.5t/ac
5) Usually a 2 row grower but chosen for BYDV trait
6) No, the bushel weight was crap in typical 6 row style. Granted it was a drought year but it just didn’t perform anywhere near as well as other hybrids or 2 row Tardis locally on similar land. I’m growing Tardis this year and delayed drilling date to 10th October to try mitigate BYDV risk

 

[Zippy768]

1. Pearce Seeds, tho I have to pay royalties separately.
2. Yes.
3. 25/9/21. This years 9/10/22
4. None of our wb were outstanding. But Sensation probably slightly higher.
5. Wasn't for blackgrass, agronomist spoke well of it and I like the straw. Bydv tolerate is a plus.

6. All into Sensation this time, though I couldn't get my hands on any tardis. Was tempted with a hybrid as this current block ain't the cleanest for grasses. But wasn't sure I'd get any N on particularly early which a hybrid needs (in hindsight wouldn't had been a problem). Ime hybrid have never warranted the extra cost here.
Sensation seemed a good fit. Will grow tall, we gave it the full pgr, and no need for bydv spray on heavier wet fields in the Autumn

 

[Two Tone]

Did anybody get any Sensation from Wynnstay in 2021?
If so, when was it delivered?

And did anybody get any Sensation from Wynnstay in 2022?
Again, if so, when did it get delivered?

 

[ollie989898]

1. Pearce Seeds, tho I have to pay royalties separately.
2. Yes.
3. 25/9/21. This years 9/10/22
4. None of our wb were outstanding. But Sensation probably slightly higher.
5. Wasn't for blackgrass, agronomist spoke well of it and I like the straw. Bydv tolerate is a plus.

6. All into Sensation this time, though I couldn't get my hands on any tardis. Was tempted with a hybrid as this current block ain't the cleanest for grasses. But wasn't sure I'd get any N on particularly early which a hybrid needs (in hindsight wouldn't had been a problem). Ime hybrid have never warranted the extra cost here.
Sensation seemed a good fit. Will grow tall, we gave it the full pgr, and no need for bydv spray on heavier wet fields in the Autumn

Was the seed cost offset by the increase in straw and grain yield?

Would a conventional crop sowed at a higher rate have given you the same do you think?

I admit the BYDV tolerance would be a big factor down here for growing it.

 

[Two Tone]

Was the seed cost offset by the increase in straw and grain yield?

Would a conventional crop sowed at a higher rate have given you the same do you think?

I admit the BYDV tolerance would be a big factor down here for growing it.

Sensation is a conventional Winter Barley, Not a Hybrid @ollie989898

My question that @DieselRob and @Zippy768 have kindly answered refers to Sensation seed Winter Barley, not Hybrid Winter Barleys.

Interesting to see how they compare though and when any Sensation got delivered.

I agree that BYVD tolerance is a definite factor.

 

[Zippy768]

Did anybody get any Sensation from Wynnstay in 2021?
If so, when was it delivered?

And did anybody get any Sensation from Wynnstay in 2022?
Again, if so, when did it get delivered?

Did you have problems with delivery?? Or having problems?

 

[Zippy768]

Sensation is a conventional Winter Barley, Not a Hybrid @ollie989898

My question that @DieselRob and @Zippy768 have kindly answered refers to Sensation seed Winter Barley, not Hybrid Winter Barleys.

Interesting to see how they compare though and when any Sensation got delivered.

I agree that BYVD tolerance is a definite factor.

Also "tolerant" not "resistant" . Interesting to see how that works on very early drilled in a mild winter

 

[Zippy768]

Sensation WB looking a picture here. Obviously turning fast now, heavier ground holding on tight.
Great height; loads of straw.
Apart from around a wet thinner patch, no grassweeds rising above the crop.
Very happy.

Only negative - grains already feel very fragile coming off the ear

 

[Two Tone]

Sensation WB looking a picture here. Obviously turning fast now, heavier ground holding on tight.
Great height; loads of straw.
Apart from around a wet thinner patch, no grassweeds rising above the crop.
Very happy.

Only negative - grains already feel very fragile coming off the ear
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What a lovely looking crop of Barley!

Out of interest, do you have Blackgrass on your farm and do you think Sensation Conventional Winter Barley has a BG deterrent effect?

I have been using Bazooka Hybrid for years specifically to reduce the Blackgrass burden.
It just so happens that where many my 1st wheats are going this autumn I daren’t risk wheat and will be growing Bazooka instead and Sensation will follow the 1st wheats harvested this year.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever in trying to grow a wheat crop where the BG situation would become worse.
IMO Winter Barleys are cheaper to grow than wheat and can yield as well if not better.
Also the earlier harvest in July usually is drier than August here and if it does get wet, it dries twice as fast as the wheat.
The only downside being the lower sale price compared to wheat.

 

[Zippy768]

What a lovely looking crop of Barley!

Out of interest, do you have Blackgrass on your farm and do you think Sensation Conventional Winter Barley has a BG deterrent effect?

I have been using Bazooka Hybrid for years specifically to reduce the Blackgrass burden.
It just so happens that where many my 1st wheats are going this autumn I daren’t risk wheat and will be growing Bazooka instead and Sensation will follow the 1st wheats harvested this year.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever in trying to grow a wheat crop where the BG situation would become worse.
IMO Winter Barleys are cheaper to grow than wheat and can yield as well if not better.
Also the earlier harvest in July usually is drier than August here and if it does get wet, it dries twice as fast as the wheat.
The only downside being the lower sale price compared to wheat.

We have a rogueable level of blackgrass around the farm. So generally a nuisance more than a problem at the moment.

Wb is currently in fields that have more of a brome problem. Plumped for Sensation because I like the straw more than anything. Would generally except the slightly poorer grassweed control in wb, knowing that the previous ww and the following break would just about keep on top.

Having walked the fields, it has done a great job of smothering grasses. Only around wetter holes where thinner and shorter has brome grown.
Very happy.

It will have to yield pretty poorly to not be growing again. In fact almost order more for Autumn when I saw the agronomist last week

 

[Dbs32]

I used to grow 6 row conventional funky and generally got on well, however due to wheat volunteers i bought hybrid in this year alongside a little feeris

The hybrid is standing well and looks great as did the feeris until most of it fell over

I noticed at cereals this year the only barleys giving over were 6 row conventionals so I'll be trying some more hybrid and maybe some caravelle this year

 

[Two Tone]

I used to grow 6 row conventional funky and generally got on well, however due to wheat volunteers i bought hybrid in this year alongside a little feeris

The hybrid is standing well and looks great as did the feeris until most of it fell over

I noticed at cereals this year the only barleys giving over were 6 row conventionals so I'll be trying some more hybrid and maybe some caravelle this year

Valid point, I think.

Hybrids do have incredibly think straw stems. I’ve had some very tall Bazooka that copes with storms really well and doesn’t lodge.

Could it be the low seed rate that helps keep that straw stem thickness?
Should we also keep other 6-row Barley seed rates on the low side to prevent lodging?

Lodging isn’t so much of a problem to get those heads into the Combine. It is Brackling that is the problem.


The think that always amazes me with Hybrids is that the always look ‘also ran’ until late march, then explode into life. Until that stage you think that the Blackgrass will be a problem, then it gets outpaced and gives up!

 

[Flat 10]

Valid point, I think.

Hybrids do have incredibly think straw stems. I’ve had some very tall Bazooka that copes with storms really well and doesn’t lodge.

Could it be the low seed rate that helps keep that straw stem thickness?
Should we also keep other 6-row Barley seed rates on the low side to prevent lodging?

Lodging isn’t so much of a problem to get those heads into the Combine. It is Brackling that is the problem.


The think that always amazes me with Hybrids is that the always look ‘also ran’ until late march, then explode into life. Until that stage you think that the Blackgrass will be a problem, then it gets outpaced and gives up!

The other year I had a lot of problems with heads falling off my hyvido in strong winds, the straw may be thick but not over strong imo. I also think they brackle more easily than conventionals. This combined with a high volunteer burden, low specific weight and high seed costs mean I have returned to 2 rows along with several locally. I may well try another field next year specifically a bad BG one and up the seed rate a bit to make it even more competitive.

 

[ollie989898]

I wonder if a higher seed rate isn't worth trying to see if the blackgrass can be halted coming out of the blocks. This height/competition thing never sat well with me because I could always find blackgrass under the canopy of OSR crops, just waiting for the knife and a chaff spreader to disperse their payload.

Winter barley is a bit angrier and covers the ground quickly, especially in spring. If you can halt blackgrass germinating from the outset you guys will be on to something.