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- South Wales UK
Grow, sell ,eat local wins everytime though doesn't it?
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- Thread starter beardface
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spin cycle
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- Location
- north norfolk
think most of problems are with nz dairy farms.....had to borrow heavily to get thru last dairy downturn....talk of 100 yr mortgages....last i heard their govt wanted to improve water quality (to similar to where we are currently)....difficult to see where the money is coming from for that never mind anything extra
china will own a lot of nz before long....in fact iirc there is already some kind of ban on foreign purchase of domestic property
nz has long been held up as a 'shining light' of how subsidy farming can thrive...IMO it's a phallacy.....subs were replaced by a combination of better climate/efficiency/lower regs and debt.......the last two are coming back to bite
china will own a lot of nz before long....in fact iirc there is already some kind of ban on foreign purchase of domestic property
nz has long been held up as a 'shining light' of how subsidy farming can thrive...IMO it's a phallacy.....subs were replaced by a combination of better climate/efficiency/lower regs and debt.......the last two are coming back to bite
They have been for over a year now.......
From what ive seen they farm way too many steep slopes that will be eroding i bet.
BTW they are still in bed atm
- Location
- North East Wilts
Recently saw figures(may have been on here) which said NZ lamb had a Carbon footprint 1/5 of UK lamb??
How does that work?
From what ive seen they farm way too many steep slopes that will be eroding i bet.
BTW they are still in bed atm
Mind you i suppose vines won't do much harm in dry country depending on management
, it would also be interesting to know how much wine contributes to their economy.oil barron
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Simple. They just make it up.
digger64
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Isnt it just a system that gets out of balance due to a few years of high profits , bit like the pig cycle here used to be here? trouble is with low interest rates and high land/property values" hubris "takes over reality so the curves on the graph become more acute .
No they work it out, WE make it up!
betweenthelines
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- Location
- southwest
I'd say being PM of a Country with less than 100 deaths due to Covid is pretty good.
If there are hard times ahead they still have virtually the whole workforce available to deal with it.
If there are hard times ahead they still have virtually the whole workforce available to deal with it.
kfpben
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- Location
- Mid Hampshire
So do we, average age of a covid death is over 80!
Not many 80 year olds still working...
Hardly comparable , country with the same population as Coventry
Never thought of it like that.
Can‘t get the vision of Tony Blair driving a red tractor out of my mind now......
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
I don't think the country's doing too bad at the moment. This area barely missed a beat with Covid, at least so far.
That's what I was thinking, farming had a good run with National but they're being held a bit more accountable now. Rules and regulations are always changing, some businesses accept them, adapt and move on some can't or wont.
Some of the water and nutrient issues have been bought about by bad practices, National turned a blind eye, the current PM is not. The Green influence is going to keep changing things unfortunately.
Having said that the biggest pollution issues are caused by poor city infrastructure. Auckland's beaches are not fit for swimming because city sewerage keeps escaping. Neither party seems to want to do anything about that.
That's what I was thinking, farming had a good run with National but they're being held a bit more accountable now. Rules and regulations are always changing, some businesses accept them, adapt and move on some can't or wont.
Some of the water and nutrient issues have been bought about by bad practices, National turned a blind eye, the current PM is not. The Green influence is going to keep changing things unfortunately.
Having said that the biggest pollution issues are caused by poor city infrastructure. Auckland's beaches are not fit for swimming because city sewerage keeps escaping. Neither party seems to want to do anything about that.
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
Shepherd is a young persons game isn't it?
Certainly a lot of young people in Ag, older ones tend to leave for better paying work. It's why farms employ a lot of foreign labour, which is tricky at the moment.
My observations since being here is a lot more farms are sold as farmers get older and want to get out. Borrow and expand when you're young, cash out and slow down and enjoy life when you're older, especially if the next generation don't want to take over.
I don't think its a new trend?
You used to hear a lot of stories about farm practices in NZ driven by no underpinning by subsidies that would be unacceptable in the U.K.
whether these were apocryphal I couldn’t say but it is highly likely that stock numbers have been pushed to their absolute limit and beyond in order to turn a profit.
Devil's advocate
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- Location
- Posh side of Barnsley
On the point of carbon emissions there seems to be no difference between things we need such as food and things we don't really need such as new plasma televisions and foreign holidays. Also it appears that manufacturing facilities like factories that don't move have no real excuse not to employ carbon capture technology, I appreciate in a competitive world every factory would have to do this but ultimately the consumer might have to pay a bit more for a new 60 inch smart TV. If all of the worldwide factories sorted out their own carbon emissions then I am sure we could mitigate the approx 20% of carbon emissions left.
I do apologise for sorting this whole thing out on a Sunday evening but it has been on my mind for a while, next.
I do apologise for sorting this whole thing out on a Sunday evening but it has been on my mind for a while, next.