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"Improving Our Lot" - Planned Holistic Grazing, for starters..

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
The Myth of Fertilizer
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We’re told fertilizers are simple; when a crop grows, it draws nutrients from the soil, these nutrients are then removed when you harvest a crop or sell the milk from your goat or take steers to the sales. At least that’s what has been taught to producers and agronomists since Liebig first did his NPK plant test in the 19th century.
Certainly, there is ample evidence for this in the field. Without fertilizer many hay producers see yields drop, and bare soil increase every year; dairy farmers produce less milk; and ranchers see reduced carrying capacities. It all makes logical sense. Doesn’t it?Clean calculations bring us a sense of security, something we can control and give people peace of mind. And these calculations stand true in conventional agriculture, 40 kg of P is removed by crops, so 40 kg must be replaced. An agronomist can predict yield based on an addition of 200kg of N – that’s as long as being outside doesn’t intervene with drought, hail, insects or disease. Many credit NPK fertilizers for the great leaps forward from the Green Revolution last century. However, that’s not the whole story, yield responses were due to several factors including irrigation, new cultivars, machinery and access to credit. Over 70% of new high yielding varieties of rice and wheat were bred enabling global yields to double.The benefits to producers have been a mixed bag, as these growing methods demand more investment into infrastructure, machinery and land. Over time input prices rose, and the return on products which now flooded markets, dropped. Many food producers are no more profitable per acre than they were 100 years ago. As a result, many producers had to “get big or go home”, and their kids left to the cities. In the US over 73% of smaller rural communities are shrinking as more people leave than arrive, a pattern mirrored across the developed world. Debt and stress are an everyday occurrence for many working on the land.



I recently presented to 30 ‘conventional’ cropping operators. One topic raised was, “who wants to see their kids take over the farm?” The resounding response was…a long silence. Then into the void a farmer spoke up, “I’m sick of this stress, of the debt, and the increasing inputs. Why would I want to hand this over to my kids?” Times like these make me reflect on the profound positive difference regenerative land systems can make in people’s lives. We’re not just talking soil, we’re talking about a revolution that impacts on every aspect of rural life. And its time is now.

If you put all of these pieces together, the Green Revolution has not delivered on its promises to producers. It is however delivering for the banks, supply and chemical companies; they come out laughing whichever way the dice land. The FAO (Food and Agriculture Organisation) is certain that modern farming has increased the risks for food producers, with market volatility and increasing climactic unpredictability. And farming is a risky business. Nature is fickle mistress; as all who work on the land know. How to mitigate risk is the greatest challenge for producers today.

I once had the privilege to hear a powerful presentation by soil scientist Dr Daniel Hillel. In 2012 he received the World Food Prize for developing a method termed “micro-irrigation agriculture” which increases water efficiencies in arid climates. He shared his story of camping with Bedouin in the Arab desert, he overheard an elder asking his students what 1+1 equals. Their answers were more varied than the stock standard “2” that western children are raised to answer. One child replied thoughtfully; “well, if it’s one nanny goat and one billy, then 1 plus 1 could be 3 or 4”.

When working with biological systems, 1+1 rarely equals 2. We often see surprising results as soil systems function again, as they flocculate (open-up), roots penetrate deeper, nutrient cycles turn and the carbon buffer builds.

There are multiple factors involved in building topsoil, one driver happens from the top down, with biological activity, and the other happens bottom-up through chemical and microbial mineralization. These soil building processes can dramatically speed up, making previously unavailable ‘locked-up’, raw mineral materials available to crops. One NZ high country station we’ve worked with saw the equivalent lifts of 1500 kg/Ha (1300 lb/Ac) in calcium in just one year across treated areas on the farm. That’s with no additions of calcium. Dr David Johnson (NMSU), Col Seis, the Haggerty’s, Gabe Brown (and many others) are measuring plant-available nutrient increases from 200 to over 1000% higher, just through stimulating this microbial mineralization process. It is how soils are meant to function; all without the need for external inputs. Consider, did a fertilizer truck follow the bison around?

I’m not saying the natural cycles are closed however, they not. We live in an interconnected world. The global P cycle is driven by organic inputs from animals like birds, bears, buffalo and wind. In 2015 NASA discovered that the Sahara was delivering phosphate dust to the Amazon, at about the same rate it was losing from erosion; around 22,000 T of the stuff every year. In many regions collapses in biodiversity are leading to catastrophic declines in ecosystem health. New Zealand forests for instance, once dependent upon regular seabird guano, are now hungry for P and diseases are running rampant. Bears in North America were significant contributors of nutrients, including N and P from their rich salmon diets, apparently yes, they do poo in the woods.

No man, or woman, is an island. Encouraging biodiversity, brings increased nutrients from outside the farm gate. A recent study in Nature concluded that seabirds are full of crap (at least that’s how I interpreted the papers title), with excrement making a global contribution to over 1.3 billion pounds of N and 218 million pounds of P. With birds and insects in our agricultural lands in rapid decline, their losses are having a broader impact on nutrient cycling. Insects are the “nitrogen thieves” in any ecosystem and when they poop and die they may be contributing as much as 40kg / N/ Ha! In an organic form readily available when plants need it. Unfortunately scientists are estimating we’re in the middle of a catastrophic insect extinction event, how much potential N have you lost or gained by encouraging insect diversity?

Our modern practices which create monocultural deserts are putting the costs back onto farmers, society and the wider environment. It’s not a lack of fertilizer that drives profit and resilience, it’s diversity. Diversity which is enhanced by diverse microbial communities, plant rooting systems, insects, birds, livestock and diverse crops. How can you increase the diversity above and below-ground? It’s well overtime for use to step away from 19th century extractive thinking into the 21st century of regeneration.

Written by: Nicole Masters 14th February 2019
Image by:Kim Deans, Linnburn Station
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
What an excellent article, the first question most farmers ask me is, "how long is it sustainable without fertiliser"
My answer is generally "about 900 years longer than if I use fertiliser"

Some incredibly enlightened people still see anything less than lime and maintenance fert as "mining the soil" - mate, we're making the stuff in several dimensions!!
It's a compounding thing in both directions; we can safely say there are two agricultures.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
The Myth of Fertilizer
Home / Blog / The Myth of Fertilizer
heartleaf.jpg

We’re told fertilizers are simple; when a crop grows, it draws nutrients from the soil, these nutrients are then removed when you harvest a crop or sell the milk from your goat or take steers to the sales. At least that’s what has been taught to producers and agronomists since Liebig first did his NPK plant test in the 19th century.
Certainly, there is ample evidence for this in the field. Without fertilizer many hay producers see yields drop, and bare soil increase every year; dairy farmers produce less milk; and ranchers see reduced carrying capacities. It all makes logical sense. Doesn’t it?Clean calculations bring us a sense of security, something we can control and give people peace of mind. And these calculations stand true in conventional agriculture, 40 kg of P is removed by crops, so 40 kg must be replaced. An agronomist can predict yield based on an addition of 200kg of N – that’s as long as being outside doesn’t intervene with drought, hail, insects or disease. Many credit NPK fertilizers for the great leaps forward from the Green Revolution last century. However, that’s not the whole story, yield responses were due to several factors including irrigation, new cultivars, machinery and access to credit. Over 70% of new high yielding varieties of rice and wheat were bred enabling global yields to double.The benefits to producers have been a mixed bag, as these growing methods demand more investment into infrastructure, machinery and land. Over time input prices rose, and the return on products which now flooded markets, dropped. Many food producers are no more profitable per acre than they were 100 years ago. As a result, many producers had to “get big or go home”, and their kids left to the cities. In the US over 73% of smaller rural communities are shrinking as more people leave than arrive, a pattern mirrored across the developed world. Debt and stress are an everyday occurrence for many working on the land.



I recently presented to 30 ‘conventional’ cropping operators. One topic raised was, “who wants to see their kids take over the farm?” The resounding response was…a long silence. Then into the void a farmer spoke up, “I’m sick of this stress, of the debt, and the increasing inputs. Why would I want to hand this over to my kids?” Times like these make me reflect on the profound positive difference regenerative land systems can make in people’s lives. We’re not just talking soil, we’re talking about a revolution that impacts on every aspect of rural life. And its time is now.

If you put all of these pieces together, the Green Revolution has not delivered on its promises to producers. It is however delivering for the banks, supply and chemical companies; they come out laughing whichever way the dice land. The FAO (Food and Agriculture Organisation) is certain that modern farming has increased the risks for food producers, with market volatility and increasing climactic unpredictability. And farming is a risky business. Nature is fickle mistress; as all who work on the land know. How to mitigate risk is the greatest challenge for producers today.

I once had the privilege to hear a powerful presentation by soil scientist Dr Daniel Hillel. In 2012 he received the World Food Prize for developing a method termed “micro-irrigation agriculture” which increases water efficiencies in arid climates. He shared his story of camping with Bedouin in the Arab desert, he overheard an elder asking his students what 1+1 equals. Their answers were more varied than the stock standard “2” that western children are raised to answer. One child replied thoughtfully; “well, if it’s one nanny goat and one billy, then 1 plus 1 could be 3 or 4”.

When working with biological systems, 1+1 rarely equals 2. We often see surprising results as soil systems function again, as they flocculate (open-up), roots penetrate deeper, nutrient cycles turn and the carbon buffer builds.

There are multiple factors involved in building topsoil, one driver happens from the top down, with biological activity, and the other happens bottom-up through chemical and microbial mineralization. These soil building processes can dramatically speed up, making previously unavailable ‘locked-up’, raw mineral materials available to crops. One NZ high country station we’ve worked with saw the equivalent lifts of 1500 kg/Ha (1300 lb/Ac) in calcium in just one year across treated areas on the farm. That’s with no additions of calcium. Dr David Johnson (NMSU), Col Seis, the Haggerty’s, Gabe Brown (and many others) are measuring plant-available nutrient increases from 200 to over 1000% higher, just through stimulating this microbial mineralization process. It is how soils are meant to function; all without the need for external inputs. Consider, did a fertilizer truck follow the bison around?

I’m not saying the natural cycles are closed however, they not. We live in an interconnected world. The global P cycle is driven by organic inputs from animals like birds, bears, buffalo and wind. In 2015 NASA discovered that the Sahara was delivering phosphate dust to the Amazon, at about the same rate it was losing from erosion; around 22,000 T of the stuff every year. In many regions collapses in biodiversity are leading to catastrophic declines in ecosystem health. New Zealand forests for instance, once dependent upon regular seabird guano, are now hungry for P and diseases are running rampant. Bears in North America were significant contributors of nutrients, including N and P from their rich salmon diets, apparently yes, they do poo in the woods.

No man, or woman, is an island. Encouraging biodiversity, brings increased nutrients from outside the farm gate. A recent study in Nature concluded that seabirds are full of crap (at least that’s how I interpreted the papers title), with excrement making a global contribution to over 1.3 billion pounds of N and 218 million pounds of P. With birds and insects in our agricultural lands in rapid decline, their losses are having a broader impact on nutrient cycling. Insects are the “nitrogen thieves” in any ecosystem and when they poop and die they may be contributing as much as 40kg / N/ Ha! In an organic form readily available when plants need it. Unfortunately scientists are estimating we’re in the middle of a catastrophic insect extinction event, how much potential N have you lost or gained by encouraging insect diversity?

Our modern practices which create monocultural deserts are putting the costs back onto farmers, society and the wider environment. It’s not a lack of fertilizer that drives profit and resilience, it’s diversity. Diversity which is enhanced by diverse microbial communities, plant rooting systems, insects, birds, livestock and diverse crops. How can you increase the diversity above and below-ground? It’s well overtime for use to step away from 19th century extractive thinking into the 21st century of regeneration.

Written by: Nicole Masters 14th February 2019
Image by:Kim Deans, Linnburn Station
:love:
Sums it all up really. (y)

Especially this bit:
If you put all of these pieces together, the Green Revolution has not delivered on its promises to producers. It is however delivering for the banks, supply and chemical companies; they come out laughing whichever way the dice land.

:(:mad:
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
:love:
Sums it all up really. (y)

Especially this bit:
If you put all of these pieces together, the Green Revolution has not delivered on its promises to producers. It is however delivering for the banks, supply and chemical companies; they come out laughing whichever way the dice land.

:(:mad:
Pretty much sums up the point of this thread, for me..
 

Treg

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
Another excellent post @Farmer Roy , the farmers that visit here all say the same thing , they can see it works but are too afraid to make the change to Organic.
Even the vets have started to say to me why don't all farmers farm like this, which is a BIG change in attitude from a few years ago ! ( I view them as drug pushers & have been vocal about it:D ).
Most farmers are stuck on the tread mill of paying for inputs & it's hard to jump off, some of this is because of the way we're educated ( farming wise), plus socially / politically the need for cheap/ plentiful food at any cost to the planet.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Another excellent post @Farmer Roy , the farmers that visit here all say the same thing , they can see it works but are too afraid to make the change to Organic.
Even the vets have started to say to me why don't all farmers farm like this, which is a BIG change in attitude from a few years ago ! ( I view them as drug pushers & have been vocal about it:D ).
Most farmers are stuck on the tread mill of paying for inputs & it's hard to jump off, some of this is because of the way we're educated ( farming wise), plus socially / politically the need for cheap/ plentiful food at any cost to the planet.
As against the REAL need for QUALITY food.....
 

texas pete

Member
Location
East Mids
I have seen a big change in attitude of the vets from simply treating animals and dishing out dugs to working with famers towards more preventative ways

I agree. The less set in their ways (older?:eek:) ones anyway. These guys are/should be well educated and able to read through the crap and make cold analytical decisions, based on fact, not opinion.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
This is literally the point I have got to, literally.

I have just ordered some more fertiliser too...:banghead::banghead::banghead::rolleyes:...one last spin of the hamster wheel, and i'm off.
It sometimes takes a small crisis to actually look for "errors" in what normally worked
I think being a kiwi "child of the 80's" was about the ideal teachable moment for me as to what goes properly wrong when you are spending money you haven't made, yet.... nothing is set in stone, except the noose gets tighter if you lean into the fall.

I never really thought of it until recently but the other farmers around us bought boats with their SMP cheque and laughed about it, but we got our boat during the "drought" in 1988 and took a lot of family holidays those years.... I asked him if he missed the payments and he said the only thing he really missed was the sound of a Fletcher topdressing plane at the end of lambing..

And here we are about 30 years on, it probably takes 20 years of conventional exploitive management to get to the point your soil biota can drag up phosphates and hang on to all its potash and fix its own pH to what suits it.. but about 3 years along the journey of putting health before production has done more than the 27 before it (y)

When you think how many millions have been spent on ensuring future starvation it really gets to you, especially the grieving about spending, doing, working harder than the next guy.. meanwhile this place runs fine on sunshine and skylark sh!t :confused:(n)
 

Crofter64

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Quebec, Canada
Yes, and integrated stockwater systems set them apart too.

Most of my conversion cost will be pipes and troughs, I'd say well run either a 63 or 40mm from the tank to give good head :oops: to 40mm arterial lines, and 20/25 mm lines off that.
Plus about 210 micro troughs, I want plenty as we could subdivide it all again in future.
Will probably keep my existing laneways and use a 3 or 4 wire springy fence just to aid stock management because I really don't want to rule out sheep/goats/ milking in future .
210 micro troughs!:eek: I’ve had more problems with water than anything else.:mad:
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
210 micro troughs!:eek: I’ve had more problems with water than anything else.:mad:
That's a fair part of the consideration with the techno system, a fair part of the capital cost as well.
But then, when you think 5/ha, that's probably about how many cattle we can run during the growing season here, so it's a "reasonable" investment as far as farming goes :whistle::whistle:
They are actually quite innovative, as they run off a special tee fitting that is like a dry-break coupler; so you can remove them or plug in a pipe to take water elsewhere.

Ideally my water system could use a revamp; it's gravity fed via 20 and 15mm lines so it's down to trough volume at present. I'd rather have a low volume high flow system so I can use my dosatron and put some minerals etc into the water.

Screenshot_20190219-030529_Drive.jpg
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
That's a fair part of the consideration with the techno system, a fair part of the capital cost as well.
But then, when you think 5/ha, that's probably about how many cattle we can run during the growing season here, so it's a "reasonable" investment as far as farming goes :whistle::whistle:
They are actually quite innovative, as they run off a special tee fitting that is like a dry-break coupler; so you can remove them or plug in a pipe to take water elsewhere.

Ideally my water system could use a revamp; it's gravity fed via 20 and 15mm lines so it's down to trough volume at present. I'd rather have a low volume high flow system so I can use my dosatron and put some minerals etc into the water.

Screenshot_20190219-030529_Drive.jpg
I can hear it now: "It'll never work with OUR cows/sheep/goats/deer". :D
 
i like the ease of changing paddock sizxe depending on grass - but not having to take/up put down would be nice - less chances of getting a tangle.... like an hour ago... took 30 mins to untangle..

i need some more waterpipe in my life - water is my goal this year - sort out a proper plan - tie in some ponds/yeomans dams etc ontop of the IBCs and sort out some form of pumps for our 1 drip spring and the rivers.
 

Blaithin

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Alberta
I have a few FB friends that are on here but I haven't got a bloody clue who they are on here, not to worried either
I don’t know how good you are at Welsh but it’s absolute gibberish to me. I didn’t realize I had so many Welsh named folks from here until I started having trouble telling them apart because they all just look like random letters :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Blaithin

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Alberta
210 micro troughs!:eek: I’ve had more problems with water than anything else.:mad:
Because water here is a test of farming. You find out quickly how much you really want to farm when you’ve got to thaw a trough out at -40 :LOL:

And the more you own... the more you have to thaw out. That was my daily chore at the feedlot in the winter. Fix at least one trough. It’d be a toss up which one I got more experience at working there - castrating or fixing waterers :ROFLMAO:
 

bitwrx

Member
Yes, and integrated stockwater systems set them apart too.

Most of my conversion cost will be pipes and troughs, I'd say well run either a 63 or 40mm from the tank to give good head :oops: to 40mm arterial lines, and 20/25 mm lines off that.
Plus about 210 micro troughs, I want plenty as we could subdivide it all again in future.
Will probably keep my existing laneways and use a 3 or 4 wire springy fence just to aid stock management because I really don't want to rule out sheep/goats/ milking in future .
Have just checked out the water troughs and couplers. Can't yet see how they work, but they look proper handy.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Have just checked out the water troughs and couplers. Can't yet see how they work, but they look proper handy.
Those hydrants all have a push valve in them, so you can either put a micro on top or push a 25mm pipe on and get water for a portable. The lines are just laid on the surface and the bit nearest the trough is formed with a "stamp" and post driver; it has a plug the size of the micro and a couple of wings to cut the slot for the pipe to lie in. Quite similar to plasson fittings otherwise.
 

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