Interest in electric cars slumps by 2/3 rds

[Clive]

30%!! That's not what the reviews on the other thread said

Why the huge difference between "only charge at home brigade " and the actual 13 amp plug reality? @Clive?

13 amp "granny" chargers are pretty rubbish - anyone charging at home will have a proper 7, 11 or 22kw charger

I charge at 11kwh at home which means 90kwh Tacyan will charge 100% from empty in under 9hrs - reality is however you don't usually come home empty !

most domestic chargers will do 7kwh

 

[Clive]

Keeping up with the Jones's

not a lot fancy about Tesla - they are like white goods

I think most are buying them because they save money doing so, no doubt about the fact that a ev cost a lot less to run than a ICE equivalent

 

[Clive]

Good luck to those buying

have to agree, there are far better choices now

 

[Exfarmer]

30%!! That's not what the reviews on the other thread said

Why the huge difference between "only charge at home brigade " and the actual 13 amp plug reality? @Clive?

Well a 13 amp plug can only supply 3Kw so 10 hours overnight is 30Kwh unless he has it keyed to only charge on cheap rate which will probably only give about 18Kwh
a 7Kw socket which most standard home sockets are can give 70Kwh in 10 hours

I would not worry about the Electric take over, have been waiting 15 months for mine and no sign of a build date yet. Thanks Vlad

 

[Sid]

Well a 13 amp plug can only supply 3Kw so 10 hours overnight is 30Kwh unless he has it keyed to only charge on cheap rate which will probably only give about 18Kwh
a 7Kw socket which most standard home sockets are can give 70Kwh in 10 hours

I would not worry about the Electric take over, have been waiting 15 months for mine and no sign of a build date yet. Thanks Vlad

But EV is top of the sales chart?

 

[Bald Rick]

But EV is top of the sales chart?

There’s a very good reason for that.

Manufacturers are given an overall emissions limit by the EU and what they do is pre-register a load of EVs in December to ensure that they are under the limit

IIRC Harry Metcalfe takes about this is one of his car videos

 

[jimred]

Interesting how charged 5% VAT at home, 20% while out and about.
That's not very fair!

No it's not. There's always 20% Vat on petrol and diesel and excise duty besides plus EV's have BIK benefits. We won't find out what the public really think about EV's until there's some levelling up. Already started to chip at the edges with road tax on EV's and there will be more to come.

 

[milkloss]

a 7Kw socket which most standard home sockets are can give 70Kwh in 10 hours

With that and the 10.5kw electric shower and someone boiling the kettle for a cup of tea…… I wouldn’t worry about turning on the oven to cook dinner!

 

[Highland Mule]

Impending sales crash coming then.
Electric cars are crap and the infrastructure isn’t here to support them. Guy that’s stays beside the farm, works offshore, traded a fancy bmw coupe for an electric one, barely made it home as three charging points that he passed were all out of order, plugged it in at home with a 13a charger and managed about 30% charge overnight, he has an outdoor charging point installed now that I assume will be a lot more powerful.

Presumably your neighbour works in Aberdeen and lives in Skye (I'm guessing, based on your username). There's plenty of chargers between the two places, and I'd say he tried very hard to find three out of order and ignore the many which would be working.

Assuming he was empty when he got home, he mustn't have had much sleep if it only got to 30% with an overnight, but would still have had plenty to get him back to a rapid charger in Inverness.

The only way they become viable is if electricity becomes super abundant and very very cheap, which some minds think is going to happen, but I can’t see it myself.

It's already cheaper than petrol and diesel, on a mile per mile basis.

 

[Drillman]

Let EVs fall from favour, let the price for good used EVs crash. Fine by me

then little old poor drillman can go out and get the scary finance lady a half decent EV at a knockdown price.

the fact we have a decent sized cattle shed with a south facing elevation to nail solar panels to for filling said EV up with leccy hadn’t crossed my mind

 

[Magnus Oyke]

Few people would buy an electric car through choice, if the choice was petrol, diesel or electric. They're far too expensive, take too long to fill up with fuel and, if the tales of 10p per mile are true, far too expensive to fuel. Remember that they are competing with ICE cars that are burning very heavily taxed fuel, once you add that tax, which will have to be replaced with something, their cost per mile will be far worse than a conventional car.

Range is also an issue. If you're going to sell me a car that takes hours to refuel, it's going to need a comfortable 600-mile range. My current car will do about 350 miles, if I'm careful, but only takes a couple of minutes to "recharge", most of that is the actual transaction, rather than pumping fuel. My bike has a range of about 160 miles, but again, takes a matter of a couple of minutes to "recharge".

What electric cars are giving the consumer, is a more expensive, heavier car, that's less practical and quite likely that they are easier to integrate a load of spy devices, so the state can keep their beady eyes on us in case we misbehave, or choose not to follow their guidance in next pandemic.

These are also being sold to us as an environmental benefit, which is also questionable, as is the threat of global warming

 

[Dead Rabbits]

not a lot fancy about Tesla - they are like white goods

I think most are buying them because they save money doing so, no doubt about the fact that a ev cost a lot less to run than a ICE equivalent

I think it really depends a lot on which stage you own the electric vehicle at. It appears to be different than an internal combustion vehicle.

I’ve always purchased my vehicles at 10 years old or older but that doesn’t appear to be a good idea with Tesla.

 

[Macsky]

Presumably your neighbour works in Aberdeen and lives in Skye (I'm guessing, based on your username). There's plenty of chargers between the two places, and I'd say he tried very hard to find three out of order and ignore the many which would be working.

Assuming he was empty when he got home, he mustn't have had much sleep if it only got to 30% with an overnight, but would still have had plenty to get him back to a rapid charger in Inverness.


It's already cheaper than petrol and diesel, on a mile per mile basis.

Next time he’s home I’ll tell him he’s a lying toe rag

 

[Highland Mule]

Next time he’s home I’ll tell him he’s a lying toe rag

Or you could just ask him politely, what was wrong with the others on route. I’ve never seen Tesco A96 unavailable, nor Asda.

 

[Macsky]

Or you could just ask him politely, what was wrong with the others on route. I’ve never seen Tesco A96 unavailable, nor Asda.

Or maybe I just won’t mention it at all and take him at his word

 

[Highland Mule]

Or maybe I just won’t mention it at all and take him at his word

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve no doubt that’s what he told you, and there may well have been 3 malfunctioning chargers on the route - but there would also have been plenty that were fully operational.

 

[bobk]

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve no doubt that’s what he told you, and there may well have been 3 malfunctioning chargers on the route - but there would also have been plenty that were fully operational.

But how many are fast chargers ? supermarket chargers are top up in reality , and don't they switch off after a certain time has elapsed

 

[Bald Rick]

Few people would buy an electric car through choice, if the choice was petrol, diesel or electric. They're far too expensive, take too long to fill up with fuel and, if the tales of 10p per mile are true, far too expensive to fuel. Remember that they are competing with ICE cars that are burning very heavily taxed fuel, once you add that tax, which will have to be replaced with something, their cost per mile will be far worse than a conventional car.

Range is also an issue. If you're going to sell me a car that takes hours to refuel, it's going to need a comfortable 600-mile range. My current car will do about 350 miles, if I'm careful, but only takes a couple of minutes to "recharge", most of that is the actual transaction, rather than pumping fuel. My bike has a range of about 160 miles, but again, takes a matter of a couple of minutes to "recharge".

What electric cars are giving the consumer, is a more expensive, heavier car, that's less practical and quite likely that they are easier to integrate a load of spy devices, so the state can keep their beady eyes on us in case we misbehave, or choose not to follow their guidance in next pandemic.

These are also being sold to us as an environmental benefit, which is also questionable, as is the threat of global warming

Talking of damage, I read that a lot of multi-storey car parks are not strong enough to support the weight of EVs if they are near capacity. They weren’t designed to those weight tolerances.

Ageing multi-storey car parks could collapse due to electric vehicles

The proliferation of electric vehicles could put pressure on car park floors with especially older, unloved structures most at risk of buckling. New guidance is now being developed to stop this.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Not a great deal of thought has gone in to this. Another winner from our useless government

 

[uztrac]

I usually have 5 to 7 year old VW Touaregs ( diesel) or similar Range Rovers,what EV at 5/7 years old will be any use to me ? sweet f/a I re ckon.So I shall continue with my 4x4 mix.

 

[Macsky]

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve no doubt that’s what he told you, and there may well have been 3 malfunctioning chargers on the route - but there would also have been plenty that were fully operational.

I’m not really that fussed, I’m no in any rush to go electric.

I’ve been thinking about it a bit recently, and I really do think the internal combustion engine has become undervalued in its ubiquity and the whole net zero scam.

They are brilliant, a stable and easily stored fuel, which is very abundant, can be used in about any environment that you’d need one, abundant heat for comfort, some sound absolutely fantastic which I’m not sure I can explain why, they just do.

As @hoff135 says, the most environmentally friendly vehicle is keeping the one you have going and not creating demand for more new ones to be built.