Is BPS actually good value for money?

[Sid]

Binge drinking 'costing UK taxpayers £4.9bn'

Binge drinking is costing UK taxpayers £4.9bn a year, a study has suggested.

www.bbc.co.uk

Makes the £3 billion for BPS look like good value for the public ?

 

[Bald Rick]

When you’re p!ssed, who cares?

 

[delilah]

Yes, and no.
ELMS (keep up lol) will be good value for the public. But it will only be the best value if it is spent where the greatest public good is to be had.

 

[farmerm]

Binge drinking 'costing UK taxpayers £4.9bn'

Binge drinking is costing UK taxpayers £4.9bn a year, a study has suggested.

www.bbc.co.uk

Makes the £3 billion for BPS look like good value for the public ?

Do the eweth of today still bringe drink? Surely not many pubs can survive on drink sales alone these days!

 

[Guleesh]

No

 

[Bill the Bass]

Given the disparity between rich and poor in this country, emphatically no, especially when it props up corrupt and wasteful NGO’s and inherited landed wealth.

 

[ajd132]

Whataboutism is the worst kind of excuse.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Do the eweth of today still bringe drink? Surely not many pubs can survive on drink sales alone these days!

They do but it's supermarket purchases and parties at home then out to pub/ club to top up .

 

[Jimdog1]

Binge drinking 'costing UK taxpayers £4.9bn'

Binge drinking is costing UK taxpayers £4.9bn a year, a study has suggested.

www.bbc.co.uk

Makes the £3 billion for BPS look like good value for the public ?

I think it is although it is probably difficult to justify . Removal of BPS will bring volatility and food prices are sure to rise on the back of that. Who do you think will get the blame for this?

 

[Jimdog1]

Yes, and no.
ELMS (keep up lol) will be good value for the public. But it will only be the best value if it is spent where the greatest public good is to be had.

What are the chances of that? Low I suspect.

 

[Top Tip.]

In Scotland removal of bps will lead to land abandonment. Tree planting and rewilding will become the land use of choice. Stock prices basically have to double to make these stock farms viable and I just don’t see that happening.

 

[DRC]

They do but it's supermarket purchases and parties at home then out to pub/ club to top up .

I’m pretty sure the big drinkers these days are middle aged professionals that have a bottle of wine most nights .
I know we drink a lot more at home than our parents did, and I think we personally drink more than our 20 something children and their partners, who often say no to a drink .

 

[ajd132]

I’m pretty sure the big drinkers these days are middle aged professionals that have a bottle of wine most nights .
I know we drink a lot more at home than our parents did, and I think we personally drink more than our 20 something children and their partners, who often say no to a drink .

i did read the other day that teenagers and people in their early 20's dont drink much anymore. my generation (late 20's early 30's) are apparently the last of the binge drinkers. nothing was better than being 14 drinking carling in a park and smoking a 10 pack of royals whilst our parents thought we were having sleepovers and playing on the playstation

 

[Hfd Cattle]

I’m pretty sure the big drinkers these days are middle aged professionals that have a bottle of wine most nights .
I know we drink a lot more at home than our parents did, and I think we personally drink more than our 20 something children and their partners, who often say no to a drink .

Yes , thinking about it your right . We had the 'kids' round for the weekend with their kids (some of them!) All they did was drink water !

 

[Bossfarmer]

Depends if you actually want farmers, without it a lot of land becomes unviable and even good ground becomes very marginal for profit if your comparing to the general publics wages these days, combine bps removal with these trade deals the UK wants and watch a lot of farming businesses disappear/markets etc close in a short space of time

 

[daveydiesel1]

In Scotland removal of bps will lead to land abandonment. Tree planting and rewilding will become the land use of choice. Stock prices basically have to double to make these stock farms viable and I just don’t see that happening.

That may help the price of beef though. Id say the people itl affect most is the machinery trade as if theres no money the tractor will just have to be drove on a few more years

 

[DrWazzock]

What difference will ELMS make to Mr and Mrs Smith in Turnip Street? None whatsoever. They notice a few more untidy fields as they go about the country but that will be all. Public Goods baloney.
And does BPS keep food prices down? No. If there is a shortage of OSR, like now, prices rise and rise. They have nothing to do with BPS. It’s about supply and demand.

 

[DrWazzock]

Depends if you actually want farmers, without it a lot of land becomes unviable and even good ground becomes very marginal for profit if your comparing to the general publics wages these days, combine bps removal with these trade deals the UK wants and watch a lot of farming businesses disappear/markets etc close in a short space of time

Supply and demand and prices will always find a level. At the moment we are paying people to produce and sell at below COP. This causes oversupply and in turn actually suppresses prices. Yes businesses will go to wall or have to change without support. That’s the reality of the commercial world but it won’t be as bad as people think.

 

[bigw]

Most peoples BPS will end back in the economy, farmers are very good at spending money when they get it.

 

[DrWazzock]

Most peoples BPS will end back in the economy, farmers are very good at spending money when they get it.

So are students, parents, pensioners.
Why not just give everybody a universal basic income and allow businesses to work a commercial basis without the distortions of state intervention?