Is the “Eat less meat and dairy products”suggestion being promoted in your country?

[slackjawedyokel]

Had a interesting talk with my son's school head yesterday, following on from a letter I'd sent to the school previously regarding meat free Mondays & the use of Soya & Quorn in school lunches. She'd originally replied to my letter with shock that I should suggest that school meals where unhealthy but....
I've had discussions with the Soil Association (as they endorse the school meals!!!! ) they've been brilliant once they'd realised the faults they made, Soya will now be removed from school meals & replaced with British beans & pulses, their also looking into Quorn & it's production methods ( really nasty stuff which is banned in Canada & carries a health warning here ) .
The head has seen a few things in the news that has made her think I may be telling her the truth so has done her own research....
The company who has been supplying the school will now lose it's contract & the school now disagrees with meat free Mondays so meat will be available everyday as well as a vegetarian option.
She said to me herself " it's a worry that large companies are trying to influence what we're eating ".
The school is part of a 28 school group & she has discussed it with the other heads, they will drop meat free Mondays as a group.

We used to eat a little bit of quorn (mainly cos it’s handy; the ‘fresh’ stuff lasts yonks in the fridge compared to chicken and the frozen chunks can be heated in a curry sauce to make a very quick tea).
I decided some time ago that I don’t want to consume any more of this product. Studies have ‘shown’ that red meat increases your cancer risk, but where are the large scale studies looking at the effects of quorn (or tofu for that matter) on your health?
My (personal) theory is that unprocessed food is much better for your long term health than processed pap, so I’d far rather get my nutrients from an occasional rare steak than from eg. quorn. And pulses will be much better for you than a processed form of protein.

 

[Treg]

Well done. Excellent work.
The sort of thing you’d thing the NFU might be doing

Yes it does make you think theirs nobody standing up for us, give the schools simple information + the evidence to back it up , it's simple.

 

[Still Farming]

Yes it does make you think theirs nobody standing up for us, give the schools simple information + the evidence to back it up , it's simple.

All you need is proactive , anti meat , young teachers to brain wash too

 

[Roger Perry]

The big chemical companies making “meat” from soy and other things are much better at lobbying government than farmers. Problem with farmers is they are humble honest people, majority any how.

Not "Big" chemical co's
These are two start ups' in California, why would they lobby the Gov.....what for..?
They will rise or fall on their ability to satisfy their target market...........no government about it.

 

[Treg]

Not "Big" chemical co's
These are two start ups' in California, why would they lobby the Gov.....what for..?
They will rise or fall on their ability to satisfy their target market...........no government about it.

Ici started Quorn!!!
Big money behind the American pretenders too including Richard Branson.

 

[Treg]

All you need is proactive , anti meat , young teachers to brain wash too

Exactly so we need to get a clear message into schools where their food comes from, replacing meat with the most destructive crop in the world ( as stated by a UN report this week ) or a meat replacement that is classed as a ultra processed food & carries a health warning is just hypocrisy.

 

[Cowgirl]

Had a interesting talk with my son's school head yesterday, following on from a letter I'd sent to the school previously regarding meat free Mondays & the use of Soya & Quorn in school lunches. She'd originally replied to my letter with shock that I should suggest that school meals where unhealthy but....
I've had discussions with the Soil Association (as they endorse the school meals!!!! ) they've been brilliant once they'd realised the faults they made, Soya will now be removed from school meals & replaced with British beans & pulses, their also looking into Quorn & it's production methods ( really nasty stuff which is banned in Canada & carries a health warning here ) .
The head has seen a few things in the news that has made her think I may be telling her the truth so has done her own research....
The company who has been supplying the school will now lose it's contract & the school now disagrees with meat free Mondays so meat will be available everyday as well as a vegetarian option.
She said to me herself " it's a worry that large companies are trying to influence what we're eating ".
The school is part of a 28 school group & she has discussed it with the other heads, they will drop meat free Mondays as a group.

What a result! That’s fantastic news and a victory for communication and common sense, and well done to the Soil Association too!

 

[Roger Perry]

Ici started Quorn!!!
Big money behind the American pretenders too including Richard Branson.

The IPO was at $25, anyone can buy in, big and small.
You don't have to be intimidated by folks with billions'...........your money just as good.
Chance for anyone with an eye to future trends.

 

[unlacedgecko]

The IPO was at $25, anyone can buy in, big and small.
You don't have to be intimidated by folks with billions'...........your money just as good.
Chance for anyone with an eye to future trends.

#TheAmericanDream

 

[Treg]

What a result! That’s fantastic news and a victory for communication and common sense, and well done to the Soil Association too!

Thank you, I'm just a simple peasant farmer with a passion for what I do , so if I can cause 28 schools to rethink what their doing image what we could all achieve
Oh unless your a intensive farm that keeps your livestock in doors all the time, those farmers need to look at what their doing & how their harming the industry.

 

[Cowgirl]

The IPO was at $25, anyone can buy in, big and small.
You don't have to be intimidated by folks with billions'...........your money just as good.
Chance for anyone with an eye to future trends.

Maybe but pretty sure I have read that people like Bill Gates and other large foundations are also involved.
Have also read that the concentrated pea protein used in fake burgers can trigger allergies as severe as peanut, and also may cause autoimmune disease, so I’m not interested!

 

[Roger Perry]

Maybe but pretty sure I have read that people like Bill Gates and other large foundations are also involved.
Have also read that the concentrated pea protein used in fake burgers can trigger allergies as severe as peanut, and also may cause autoimmune disease, so I’m not interested!

Think the only comment I can add is that this is something totally new, not to be confused with previous attempts to create a beef imitation type food.
It is just starting to be made available by a couple of burger chains.
Maybe this is a real step forward, from people who have tried it nothing but good experiences.

Its' not about to shut the beef industry down but the market for meals containing non animal products is growing and growing.

 

[Cowgirl]

Think the only comment I can add is that this is something totally new, not to be confused with previous attempts to create a beef imitation type food.
It is just starting to be made available by a couple of burger chains.
Maybe this is a real step forward, from people who have tried it nothing but good experiences.

Its' not about to shut the beef industry down but the market for meals containing non animal products is growing and growing.

I see you are in west USA. Do you know if this is also true of Canada? I would have thought fake meat would struggle in South America since I think they are bigger meat eaters than US?

 

[Cowgirl]

Think the only comment I can add is that this is something totally new, not to be confused with previous attempts to create a beef imitation type food.
It is just starting to be made available by a couple of burger chains.
Maybe this is a real step forward, from people who have tried it nothing but good experiences.

Its' not about to shut the beef industry down but the market for meals containing non animal products is growing and growing.

Ingredients of the new "Beyond Burger" from US, via Joanna Blythman on Twitter. Burger anyone?

 

[delilah]

All you need is proactive , anti meat , young teachers to brain wash too

We have a farm club Saturday mornings for local teenagers. Had a conversation last week with one of the mums, her daughter is confused and upset because her geography teacher had told the class that eating meat is destroying the planet. She was away today anyway, but if she isn't in next Saturday then I am going to have to find a way to cajole her into coming back. We all have to 'pick our battles' as it wouldn't be healthy to be angry all the time, but I am determined to win this one as it makes me livid that a kid who was having a morning with her mates out in the fresh air engaging with the natural world may now end up back in her bedroom playing with her phone.

 

[Still Farming]

We have a farm club Saturday mornings for local teenagers. Had a conversation last week with one of the mums, her daughter is confused and upset because her geography teacher had told the class that eating meat is destroying the planet. She was away today anyway, but if she isn't in next Saturday then I am going to have to find a way to cajole her into coming back. We all have to 'pick our battles' as it wouldn't be healthy to be angry all the time, but I am determined to win this one as it makes me livid that a kid who was having a morning with her mates out in the fresh air engaging with the natural world may now end up back in her bedroom playing with her phone.

Seen over the years with our children in primary and Comp. the most out spoken teachers alway slip some comments in that are their own views and agendas ?

 

[primmiemoo]

We used to eat a little bit of quorn (mainly cos it’s handy; the ‘fresh’ stuff lasts yonks in the fridge compared to chicken and the frozen chunks can be heated in a curry sauce to make a very quick tea).
I decided some time ago that I don’t want to consume any more of this product. Studies have ‘shown’ that red meat increases your cancer risk, but where are the large scale studies looking at the effects of quorn (or tofu for that matter) on your health?
My (personal) theory is that unprocessed food is much better for your long term health than processed pap, so I’d far rather get my nutrients from an occasional rare steak than from eg. quorn. And pulses will be much better for you than a processed form of protein.

It's an inconvenient truth that while Japan's adoption of Western foods has led to health problems in some, traditional Japanese foodstuffs cause health problems all of their own that are covered up by those who promote soya products.

 

[primmiemoo]

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Ingredients of the new "Beyond Burger" from US, via Joanna Blythman on Twitter. Burger anyone?

Rapeseed oil triggers allergies, too (that's the canola in the recipe, in case there's confusion among non-farming readers). I met a lady in her mid-60s who'd lived her life, and loved her food without knowing she had an allergy - until rapeseed oil was introduced to replace those awful transfats and hydrogenated fats that were in processed food and general catering before being recognised as harm.

She can't go out for a meal, or so much as buy a cake any more.

 

[primmiemoo]

Exactly so we need to get a clear message into schools where their food comes from, replacing meat with the most destructive crop in the world ( as stated by a UN report this week ) or a meat replacement that is classed as a ultra processed food & carries a health warning is just hypocrisy.

This traces back to the misinformation on meat production from theat consortium of global food processors, agri-chemical manufacturers, et al that published using the Wellcombe Institute as a cloak.
All swallowed whole by the media and pushed by militant groups.

 

[Treg]

Maybe but pretty sure I have read that people like Bill Gates and other large foundations are also involved.
Have also read that the concentrated pea protein used in fake burgers can trigger allergies as severe as peanut, and also may cause autoimmune

We have a farm club Saturday mornings for local teenagers. Had a conversation last week with one of the mums, her daughter is confused and upset because her geography teacher had told the class that eating meat is destroying the planet. She was away today anyway, but if she isn't in next Saturday then I am going to have to find a way to cajole her into coming back. We all have to 'pick our battles' as it wouldn't be healthy to be angry all the time, but I am determined to win this one as it makes me livid that a kid who was having a morning with her mates out in the fresh air engaging with the natural world may now end up back in her bedroom playing with her phone.

Look up European Food Agency news report on eat Lancet campaign ( somebody posted it on here but can't remember who ) full of good information especially for schools. @Farmer Roy posted a UN report on the damage of Soya, another really good report to give to schools.