Is this bull RT Assured for selling ?

[Wooly]

Genuine question.....

I have borrowed a bull from a RT Assured farm.
It is going to be sold next week as a cull bull, with the money and invoice going to an RT inspected farm........ as they are the 'owner' of the bull.

Can it be sold as RT , even though the farm it is going to market from hasn't paid into the RT system ?

 

[milkloss]

Genuine question.....

I have borrowed a bull from a RT Assured farm.
It is going to be sold next week as a cull bull, with the money and invoice going to an RT inspected farm........ as they are the 'owner' of the bull.

Can it be sold as RT , even though the farm it is going to market from hasn't paid into the RT system ?

Depends whether you borrowed it on paper.

 

[Wooly]

Depends whether you borrowed it on paper.

All BCMS movements and TB testing done correctly............ what are you trying to imply !!?!


I'm squeaky clean

 

[gone up the hill]

All BCMS movements and TB testing done correctly............ what are you trying to imply !!?!


I'm squeaky clean

NO it cannot be sold as assured.

It needs to have been on a RT assured farm for the last 90 days of its life regardless of who owns the bull, you say you are not assured so if you send it direct from your farm the owner will get docked anything from £1/2+ kilo depending on where he sends it, Ie a 400 kilo bull could get knocked £800 off its value.

Only way for that bull to be sold as assured is for it to go back to the owners farm for at least 90 days before it is sold.

 

[goodevans]

Or sell it at market as deductions probably wouldn't come into it

 

[delilah]

Our non RT bull topped the market in Ashford few weeks ago (was only 4 in mind ).

 

[Formatted]

No when it gets to the abattoir they'll check the CPH it is moving from and it won't flag as farm assured.

 

[Wooly]

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No when it gets to the abattoir they'll check the CPH it is moving from and it won't flag as farm assured.

So if that is correct, all the sheep being sold as FA that have been away wintered or finished on other non Fa farms shouldn’t be FA !!

it will be a full time job for the slaughter house to check every sheep has been on a FA farm for the last 90 days..........

I might just let the livestock market decide. I doubt the price will be much different anyway.

 

[Formatted]

it will be a full time job for the slaughter house to check every sheep has been on a FA farm for the last 90 days..........

I don't know how it works with sheep, but with cattle they'll take the last CPH number on the passport that isn't a market/collection centre.

 

[Wooly]

I don't know how it works with sheep, but with cattle they'll take the last CPH number on the passport that isn't a market/collection centre.

There are plenty of beef farmers around here renting ground from non FA farmers....... I doubt any of them decide to sell those cattle as non FA

....... but thanks for your take of the rules.

 

[Woolless]

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So if that is correct, all the sheep being sold as FA that have been away wintered or finished on other non Fa farms shouldn’t be FA !!

it will be a full time job for the slaughter house to check every sheep has been on a FA farm for the last 90 days..........

I might just let the livestock market decide. I doubt the price will be much different anyway.

Difficult/impossible for the slaughterhouse to check previous sheep movements. With cattle it's all there on the passport. And my experience is that they do check if that's their spec.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

There are plenty of beef farmers around here renting ground from non FA farmers....... I doubt any of them decide to sell those cattle as non FA

....... but thanks for your take of the rules.

The answer is definitely no, and the way you get around having cattle on non assured land is to set up a TLA and use your holding number. Dead easy!
You can do the same with sheep but as they are not individually recorded it has not arisen .........yet.

 

[beefandsleep]

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So if that is correct, all the sheep being sold as FA that have been away wintered or finished on other non Fa farms shouldn’t be FA !!

it will be a full time job for the slaughter house to check every sheep has been on a FA farm for the last 90 days.......... [emoji848][emoji849]

I might just let the livestock market decide. I doubt the price will be much different anyway.

Believe me, they soon spot one if you’ve worked the days out wrong.

 

[tr250]

The answer is definitely no, and the way you get around having cattle on non assured land is to set up a TLA and use your holding number. Dead easy!
You can do the same with sheep but as they are not individually recorded it has not arisen .........yet.

We got pulled up on this a couple of months ago. We have one block of land not on a TLA because of risky tb we prefer to pre movement test then if the neighbors have a reactor we just sell the cattle without affecting our other holdings. The heifer had been grazed there this summer having been born on our holding and stayed in our ownership they could tell that from the passport but they still rang us about it saying it wasn’t RT. We had to ring assurance people and get them to add that holding. Can’t exactly remember how many days it had been home but mid 80s

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

We got pulled up on this a couple of months ago. We have one block of land not on a TLA because of risky tb we prefer to pre movement test then if the neighbors have a reactor we just sell the cattle without affecting our other holdings. The heifer had been grazed there this summer having been born on our holding and stayed in our ownership they could tell that from the passport but they still rang us about it saying it wasn’t RT. We had to ring assurance people and get them to add that holding. Can’t exactly remember how many days it had been home but mid 80s

Unfortunately they then charge you for another holding!!
You cannot get a TLA for cattle in High risk areas I believe or cross over areas, it has to be all the same.

 

[tr250]

Unfortunately they then charge you for another holding!!
You cannot get a TLA for cattle in High risk areas I believe or cross over areas, it has to be all the same.

We decided it’s higher risk due to neighbors just to protect our main holdings in case of a breakdown from bought in cattle