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- NSW, Newstralya
What has the operator got to do with it ?
John deere 8RX
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- NSW, Newstralya
Operators switch machines / tractors all the time here, depending on the job they are doing
Foxcover
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Maybe if you worked your soils a bit deeper you might get proper yields like we do Roy!
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
$ / ha is all that matters, yield is secondary
PS - if we worked our soils like that we would have no yield
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- NSW, Newstralya
Maybe if you looked after your soils a bit better you wouldn’t need to sub soil them ?
Foxcover
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$ / ha is all that matters, yield is secondary
Yeah it’s crazy how you can make a profit trying to grow crops in a desert.
It’ll get harder with more frequent droughts too, at what point do you give up trying to grow crops on land that can’t really support them?
Yeah it’s crazy how you can make a profit trying to grow crops in a desert.
It’ll get harder with more frequent droughts too, at what point do you give up trying to grow crops on land that can’t really support them?
Foxcover
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Australian farmers are renowned for looking after the land aren’t they
Baron, sterile landscapes just to grow half a ton of wheat per acre
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- NSW, Newstralya
Australian farmers are renowned for looking after the land aren’t they
Baron, sterile landscapes just to grow half a ton of wheat per acre
dont believe the stereotypes . . .
Still don’t understand why the need to subsoil while planting canola ?
SilliamWhale
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Its a really popular thing to do here. I never feel the benefits of subsoiling are worth the negatives personally.
I look at a tracked machine like that though and I'd prefer a tractor with tyres anyday. Much more versatile and cheaper.
At the end of all that expense of tracks, (front hopper for rape?), deep subsoiler is a little double disc coulter dropping a 1mm seed into a bit of brown soil, that's all that really matters
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
long way from a desert here
we grow a wide range of crops here, suited to a variety of climates
I can grow 2 crops a year on the same land, 2 t / ha mungbeans at $1300 / tonne followed immediately by 4 t / ha of Durum at $400 / tonne within 12 months - without being propped up by the public purse . . .
How does that compare ?
Can UK Ag survive WITHOUT subs & govt handouts ? So who is REALLY farming somewhere unsuitable if it isn’t profitable without handouts & brown envelopes ?
- Location
- South Molton
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
i have no issues with the tractor itself, tracked machines certainly have their place & are popular here - my main question was why put it on such a narrow machine ?
Our country here is that heavy that it wasn’t ever farmed until the advent of higher horsepower tractors in the 60’s & 70’s, has very high draft requirements for “conventional” cultivation work, but in a full on zero till regime is actually very easy to work.
Foxcover
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What is this massive chip on your shoulder against UK ag all about Roy?!
SilliamWhale
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The answer would be deep subsoiling legs require the hp. And the hills
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
but why the need for deep subsoiling ?
- Location
- NSW, Newstralya
none at all, I spent 3 years working in UK Ag in my youth, I just ask the question why such a narrow machine on that tractor ?
Why the need to subsoil so deep ?
Why the need to be always the best & never face any questioning or genuine enquires ?
Why no genuine answers ?
SilliamWhale
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Its popular here. Theory about a subsoiling = big taproot = more yield. I'm a sceptic as never really seen any convincing trials that it is superior but if you have previously had wheat in and ploughed it then there may be no soil structure so it needs "lifting" as some like to call it.
At the end of the day though that's probably a contractor outfit so the farmer may only be paying £25 or so per acre for it
Foxcover
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Finn farmer
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Fields are probably so compacted from driving heavy equipment with narrow tyres on them. The soil is way different to Australia and the climate doesn't help it either. One run on properly wet fields and they're f*cked for years. We don't even bother with some fields some years since it's cheaper to leave the crop and let the field be. Last time we had to skip a field was 3 years ago, so not that common. But keep in mind that we're not in UK, but soi is pretty similar.
12m at a time 240hp
it works, there is no need to subsoil whatsoever