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- Lincs / Cambs border
The red ones and the blue onesWhich models and bad designs caused their downfall? Would have been before my time I'm afraid!
John Deere reducing dealerships
- Thread starter Will 1594
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- Cumbria
Make no mistake, JD had their moments, in the 70's and 80's you needed to have a degree in quantum physics to sort an internal hydraulic leak. 
A stethoscope was more use than a pressure gauge.
A stethoscope was more use than a pressure gauge.
celtis man
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Ford 6600 locally had hinges on the cylinder head to do the gasket
The Mf 595 did them no favours or the Mf 3645 models either . The Ford 10 series with the temporary blocks lost a lot of customers.Which models and bad designs caused their downfall? Would have been before my time I'm afraid!
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- Co antrim
If they were the same price basicly ud of been mad to not buy the deere. The deere has a better product and quality of the in cab finish is streets ahead of cnh. Gettin out of a cnh cab into an r series is like night and day
Tin hat on
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- Co antrim
Mf 61/81 series was a bit hit and miss for reliability and early tier2 64 series wasnt great then the change from dynashift to dyna6 lost some loyal customers. Nh syncro problems and constant oil leaks in tm series and in the newer 1s givin trouble in brakes,4wd bearing,50k bearing and ad blue problems has pushed alot of people locally to buy jd. Tbf local jd dealer is excellent for backup literally 24/7 support which wins favour for gettin spfh sales in against claas/nhWhich models and bad designs caused their downfall? Would have been before my time I'm afraid!
would moores be your local dealer
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- Co antrim
Yes. I bought my parlour of them. Top notch
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- Co antrim
U mean the deutz dealer? Bloomin terrible them lot
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- Easter ross
Not the same price but very little in it, I like the maxxum I’ve got but just let us down too often with niggly stuff. It’s sister has been the polar opposite. Can’t even say it’s driver related as the better one was mine at the start before swapping due to staff changes.If they were the same price basicly ud of been mad to not buy the deere. The deere has a better product and quality of the in cab finish is streets ahead of cnh. Gettin out of a cnh cab into an r series is like night and day
Tin hat on
I think a bit hit and miss is being a bit generous!
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- Co antrim
Some did dead on while others were a pure dose
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
MF practically gave me a new 6150 at 2 years old to replace my first one.
To be fair, the second one was far better than the first, it was the second most unreliable tractor I have owned.
- Location
- Cumbria
Which models and bad designs caused their downfall? Would have been before my time I'm afraid!
In the late 70's JD introduced the 40 series Tractors, at a similar time to a dealer shake up. This was a world away from the 30 series which suffered from external hydraulic cavitation due to being the only tractor on the market with a closed center system. The 40's had a bigger transmission pump, upgraded flow rate, and a bigger fuel tank (one of the problems with the 30 series was you could not work all day without a refueling stop) Common components such as ZF, Danfoss etc were now used, also a major move forward in market presence. This is when they introduced the slogans " Nothing Runs Like a Deere " and "Big John's in Town" They also used the 'Waterloo' designed cab, a major step forward in operator comfort.
At that time, MF had the 500 series which was a tractor built round a cab door
Other than some of the smaller models, a lame beast of a tractor, no power, and no hydraulic capacity. They moved onto the Auto and Datatronic 3000 series in the 80's, way ahead of it's time, and the market was not ready for this level of technology. However, the stockmans range, the 200 series did well in areas but lacked a big powerfull model.Meanwhile Ford were changing clutches, cylinder head gaskets and working out how to change gear using a rubik's cube. At that time Ford was by far and away a dealers dream franchise, they sold well, and they broke down, sales, service and the parts departments were always busy. Hence the reason why many Ford dealers are often complimented on the service they give, The saying is true "You can sell sxxt, if you support and back it up well enough" Not that I am saying Ford's were sxxt, some models were excellent.
Deere lacked a range of equipment ( as did ford, and the MF range was sparse) and concentrated on what they had. Tractors, Combines, Balers and Drills, and Foragers so many dealers had to find other brands to fill the gaps. Slowly but surely the gaps have been filled, at the same time the noose has tightened around the dealers.
New Holland took over Ford, then Case took the whole thing over to give a more complete harvesting range, also, AGCO took over MF who also have an almost complete range now. MF moving manufacturing from the UK did not help their case either, a little love was lost.
New Holland still make tractors in the UK, and it's one of the very few nett positive sectors of the export market.
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- Kent
To be fair that is the same of pretty much any manufacturer now I doubt you could not look at a machine and not find only made in China stamped on parts but Germany, Japan, Taiwan, Indonesia, India and Eastern European countries amongst others
barleybasher
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Topical film from Bloomburg ref JD (worker unrest and farmer unrest in the USA)
Raises issues not just affecting Deere...
Raises issues not just affecting Deere...
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Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Engines from Italy
Cabs from France
Transmissions from Belgium
I don’t think anything is made at Basildon anymore, it’s just an assembly line although IIRC it assembles all NH T6/T7’s as well as Case for the North American market.
It’s probably getting on for 3 years when I was last there but at that time if not still they were also assembling older models for elsewhere in the world, I recall seeing a 6070 going down the line destined for Iran.