Just what we need another pollution incident

[davidroberts30]

South Wales Argus

Alerts have been issued for beaches at several of the country's best-loved seaside towns.

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Absolutly f**kung disgusting

 

[fudge]

Plenty of indignation at the water companies but the government are responsible. Total failure to regulate or improve the situation. The water companies discharges are in the main legal and the government has just extended the target date for action by several decades. Only voters can change this situation, the government will not take any responsibility for their actions.

 

[Still Farming]

South Wales Argus

The sewage has leaked from major works and pipelines, seeing waste discharged into the sea

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[ollie989898]

So do you regularly test your crops and soil to see if they actually need the NPK you keep chucking at them?

To be fair, most farmers would be doing something in the way of soil tests and many have done for years.

 

[Exfarmer]

Plenty of indignation at the water companies but the government are responsible. Total failure to regulate or improve the situation. The water companies discharges are in the main legal and the government has just extended the target date for action by several decades. Only voters can change this situation, the government will not take any responsibility for their actions.

Its not just government, or sewage companies. How about all the rulers and regul;ations before they start building new plant and the Nimby’s would any of us really want a sewage plant anywhere near us?

 

[ollie989898]

Its not just government, or sewage companies. How about all the rulers and regul;ations before they start building new plant and the Nimby’s would any of us really want a sewage plant anywhere near us?

But there are already sewage treatment plants near where people live. They already exist. They probably need extending or an increase in capacity, people understand that. The main smell problem is when the material is transported or spread on farmland.

 

[Exfarmer]

But there are already sewage treatment plants near where people live. They already exist. They probably need extending or an increase in capacity, people understand that. The main smell problem is when the material is transported or spread on farmland.

The problem is those in urban areas often need more space , which means pushing it out of town into the suburbs , good luck there

 

[vantage]

These sewage dumpings -even if they attract big fines- are pocket money compared to their profits.

I calculated when Southern Water were fined, I think £20m, it was like me being fined 50p, why go to the expense of infrastructure when the fines are derisory?!

 

[ollie989898]

I calculated when Southern Water were fined, I think £20m, it was like me being fined 50p, why go to the expense of infrastructure when the fines are derisory?!

Absolutely. 20 million in fines or 200 million for water treatment works? I think I know which one I would pay.

 

[Bald Rick]

I see that legal firm Leigh Day are launching a group legal action (representing landowners, conservation groups, riparian right’s owners etc) against chicken farms within the Wye catchment

River Wye users 'could make legal claim against poultry farms'

A legal firm says people living the river Wye catchment “have a good prospect” of bringing a civil claim against the area’s poultry farms and…

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[Old Boar]

Welsh Water is owned by Glas Cymru a single purpose company with no shareholders and is run solely for the benefit of customers. Since 2001, it been owned, financed and managed by Glas Cymru.

When I used to swim in the sea off Brighton, we called it "going through the motions".

 

[Robt]

Surely everyone needs to clean up their act, the article says the farmer reported the incident. Just cause the water companies do it is no justification in my opinion.

Exactly and not blame these accident a on everyone else. You must have a fail safe in place if your pipe bursts or a valve sticks. If my house catches fire I have extinguisher and smoke alarm . I don’t simply say , oh well

 

[Sid]

We beef boys havent chucked fert at anything for ages , last time we did fert price started with a 2. We dont have oceans of slurry and dirty water either.

Not without its costs of storage and spreading.

To be fair, most farmers would be doing something in the way of soil tests and many have done for years.

Not many test the slurry though.
Diet can make slurry quite variable in its make up

 

[Yosemite Sam]

But there are already sewage treatment plants near where people live. They already exist. They probably need extending or an increase in capacity, people understand that. The main smell problem is when the material is transported or spread on farmland.

Farmers should all refuse to take any of this sewage sludge, as they are then blamed for this pollution, having had it spread on their land.

 

[vantage]

I see that legal firm Leigh Day are launching a group legal action (representing landowners, conservation groups, riparian right’s owners etc) against chicken farms within the Wye catchment

River Wye users 'could make legal claim against poultry farms'

A legal firm says people living the river Wye catchment “have a good prospect” of bringing a civil claim against the area’s poultry farms and…

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Oh! I do so hope that they quote the health of the nearby river Usk, which has 3 chicken farms in its catchment, but has higher phosphate levels than the Wye.

 

[nails]

But there are already sewage treatment plants near where people live. They already exist. They probably need extending or an increase in capacity, people understand that. The main smell problem is when the material is transported or spread on farmland.

The crux of the matter is that the Water companies are quite capable of treating sewage but go for the cheaper option of releasing untreated into rivers and not always at times of high flow . The investment in enlarging treatment facilities has been pitiful and the profits go to the shareholders , many of which have ties to the Tories so any regulation and fines issued is chickenfeed to the water companies It is all about money.

 

[dave78+]

Yes there's some cheat and sneak rainwater into sewer when nobody's looking but soakaways for rainwater is fairly new idea. There's towns and cities where they've built for over a hundred years and only have a combined system for sewer and rainwater.

Wastewaters from baths, showers, washing machines and dishwashers will all go down one pipe into the sewers in London. The London sewage system also takes stormwaters away. Virtually nobody sends any of their rainwater into soakaways. When an area becomes flooded, Thames Water are blamed.

 

[pycoed]

The crux of the matter is that the Water companies are quite capable of treating sewage but go for the cheaper option of releasing untreated into rivers and not always at times of high flow . The investment in enlarging treatment facilities has been pitiful and the profits go to the shareholders , many of which have ties to the Tories so any regulation and fines issued is chickenfeed to the water companies It is all about money.

Not true: since the sewerage system in most of Britain mixes grey water AND rainwater with sewage, in times of heavy rain the sewage works become overloaded & storm overflows pollute the watercourses.
Stand in your garden & look at your house: if you have a single soil stack & no soakaways then you are contributing to the problem.
It's lazy just to blame the water companies for this - they alone can't fix domestic infrastructure that has taken a century to get to this state.
Pan them for water leakage for which they are 100% responsible, but don't just parrot the Grauniad line

 

[Exfarmer]

Not true: since the sewerage system in most of Britain mixes grey water AND rainwater with sewage, in times of heavy rain the sewage works become overloaded & storm overflows pollute the watercourses.
Stand in your garden & look at your house: if you have a single soil stack & no soakaways then you are contributing to the problem.
It's lazy just to blame the water companies for this - they alone can't fix domestic infrastructure that has taken a century to get to this state.
Pan them for water leakage for which they are 100% responsible, but don't just parrot the Grauniad line

This is so true!

 

[nails]

Not true: since the sewerage system in most of Britain mixes grey water AND rainwater with sewage, in times of heavy rain the sewage works become overloaded & storm overflows pollute the watercourses.
Stand in your garden & look at your house: if you have a single soil stack & no soakaways then you are contributing to the problem.
It's lazy just to blame the water companies for this - they alone can't fix domestic infrastructure that has taken a century to get to this state.
Pan them for water leakage for which they are 100% responsible, but don't just parrot the Grauniad line

No you are wrong about that as they have been shown to release raw sewage when the treatment works are not under pressure from heavy rain . The fact that older properties mix rainwater and sewage is not an excuse to not have enough capacity to treat the sewage especially as they are making obscene profits for their shareholders . If you think it is lazy just to blame the water companies explain why they are releasing sewage more frequently .