Kim Darroch

[Highland Mule]

As I recall Boris had traveled to the US on a British passport and when he came to leave they would not let him go because immigration told him that he should have traveled under his US passport. So all things being equal the UK immigration should not have let him back in because he was on a US passport.
I have experience of UK immigration and a bigger load of jerks I never came across. If I was in Boris`s shoes at the time I would have done the same thing.

Presumably Boris had both passports. Nothing to stop him entering and leaving the US on a US passport and then using his British one when he enters the UK.

I seem to recall the US requires dual nationals to use their US passports by default for immigration, which makes sense as it avoids a need for a limited duration permission (usually 90 days), and the perception of overstay if you’ve mixed both and the authorities can’t match up and in and an out.

 

[Exfarmer]

Presumably Boris had both passports. Nothing to stop him entering and leaving the US on a US passport and then using his British one when he enters the UK.

I seem to recall the US requires dual nationals to use their US passports by default for immigration, which makes sense as it avoids a need for a limited duration permission (usually 90 days), and the perception of overstay if you’ve mixed both and the authorities can’t match up and in and an out.

This would not be possible due to buying air tickets and pre notification of passengers to immigration by the airlines.
I did not think the US allowed dual nationality anyway.
Friend had similar recently with Australia. Her husband is Oz and her daughters have English passports but are Dual . She had to apply for Visa's the 3 of them. Australia refused to give daughters Visas as they were citizens but they could not fly without. Thankfully Australia house sorted it very quickly!

 

[arcobob]

Presumably Boris had both passports. Nothing to stop him entering and leaving the US on a US passport and then using his British one when he enters the UK.

I seem to recall the US requires dual nationals to use their US passports by default for immigration, which makes sense as it avoids a need for a limited duration permission (usually 90 days), and the perception of overstay if you’ve mixed both and the authorities can’t match up and in and an out.

He had no trouble getting in,it was getting out where the problem lay.

 

[Highland Mule]

This would not be possible due to buying air tickets and pre notification of passengers to immigration by the airlines.
I did not think the US allowed dual nationality anyway.
Friend had similar recently with Australia. Her husband is Oz and her daughters have English passports but are Dual . She had to apply for Visa's the 3 of them. Australia refused to give daughters Visas as they were citizens but they could not fly without. Thankfully Australia house sorted it very quickly!

Boris didn’t need to use the same passport at immigration and emigration though, so stick the US one on API, but use the British one to come back into the UK with. The UK don’t ask for API do they?

 

[Highland Mule]

He had no trouble getting in,it was getting out where the problem lay.

If he’s come in on a UK one, then he had a limited duration to stay. If he’s left with his US one, he’d be flagged for overstay after a period of time.

 

[turbo]

What’s wrong - my opinion or the concept of parliamentary democracy?
FWIW, your post is definitely wrong - whilst Cameron may have said that government would respect the outcome, Parliament did not “hand the decision over to the public”.

Both!
Did parliament have a vote to give us a referendum?
Did parliament have a vote to invoke article 50?
If the answer is yes to both of the questions then it proves you are wrong on both counts

 

[turbo]

Parliament, cannot in law control the activities of the next parliament. The Referendum was advisory and since we have had a general election since, it means nothing.
It was a reflection of the peoples wishes at the time.
There is only one answer to the impasse we are in a a new referendum with 2 questions
First, in or out.
If out second question
Deal or no deal.

Nobody can say they do not know the arguments today. We have seen so many of the lies , told by both sides and should be immune to them.

Please explain why we should have remain on any future ballot,it lost and had no reason to be there again,if there is to be another vote it’s got to be between deal or no deal

 

[arcobob]

Both!
Did parliament have a vote to give us a referendum?
Did parliament have a vote to invoke article 50?
If the answer is yes to both of the questions then it proves you are wrong on both counts

In other words the referendum result was supported in parliament.

 

[turbo]

In other words the referendum result was supported in parliament.

That’s how I see it.if parliament thought it was going to be a disaster they should of stopped it before but as usual all the ones bellyaching voted for the bills in parliament because they knew if they had voted against they would of lost their seats at the election and I cannot wait to see greive,sourby and a shed load of labour mps kicked out at the next election

 

[arcobob]

Boris didn’t need to use the same passport at immigration and emigration though, so stick the US one on API, but use the British one to come back into the UK with. The UK don’t ask for API do they?

So you have to carry two passports for minimum aggravation each way. Because he had innocently used his UK passport going out they would not let him return on it to the UK. Is that stupid or not?
I have US friends who commute daily to and from Canada to work. They get more aggro going home in the evening than they get going to work in the morning.
I once boarded a ship in Vancouver and sailed to Skagway (US) having immigrated on board in Vancouver. I was issued with the green card which has to be handed in on leaving US. I traveled by train to Fraser (Canada) and the border post was completely unmanned so I could not surrender my green card. I later traveled back into the US but was detained at the border because records showed that I had never left the US and I still had my green card. The officials were quite off hand because I had not followed procedures even though it was their fault in the first place for not manning the boarder at Fraser.
I thought it was quite funny at the time but they remained poker faced and totally humourless.

 

[Exfarmer]

Boris didn’t need to use the same passport at immigration and emigration though, so stick the US one on API, but use the British one to come back into the UK with. The UK don’t ask for API do they?

Your passport is the one used for checking in and for API, and yes Britain does do API.
The whole system is linked “ in theory” using the wrong passport would probably give grief to the passenger and airline

 

[Highland Mule]

Your passport is the one used for checking in and for API, and yes Britain does do API.
The whole system is linked “ in theory” using the wrong passport would probably give grief to the passenger and airline

I’d suggest using the destination country (first leg) passport for API, and then the respective country’s passport for that country. Enter and leave the US on the US passport and enter and leave the UK on British passport. That way you have no risk of overstay criticism, as @arcobob described above. He could use the UK one throughout, but then would have stay length restrictions as we all do. Much simpler with only one citizenship, provided you accept the possible need for visas and constraints on travel entitlement.

Looks like it’s all a theoretical issue now anyway as Boris apparently renounced his US citizenship in 2017.

 

[Exfarmer]

I’d suggest using the destination country (first leg) passport for API, and then the respective country’s passport for that country. Enter and leave the US on the US passport and enter and leave the UK on British passport. That way you have no risk of overstay criticism, as @arcobob described above. He could use the UK one throughout, but then would have stay length restrictions as we all do. Much simpler with only one citizenship, provided you accept the possible need for visas and constraints on travel entitlement.

Looks like it’s all a theoretical issue now anyway as Boris apparently renounced his US citizenship in 2017.

I looked through the net, and I can find no comments on Bojo having issues on this.
It is true he has given up US citizenship, but I think you will find it is for tax reasons, as all US citizens are required to pay income and capital gains tax whereever they are in the world and source of income.
I understand also once giving up US citizenship, that you cannot go back again. Could be interesting.

 

[Roger Perry]

As I recall Boris had traveled to the US on a British passport and when he came to leave they would not let him go because immigration told him that he should have traveled under his US passport. So all things being equal the UK immigration should not have let him back in because he was on a US passport.
I have experience of UK immigration and a bigger load of jerks I never came across. If I was in Boris`s shoes at the time I would have done the same thing.

Being dual national he should use one passport or the other..........was he trying to use both..? not being familiar with the details.
My reference to his citizenship was in regard to (if he becomes Britain's P.M.) perhaps getting a better deal for UK (Being American by birth) Bit of a long shot I know..!!

 

[Roger Perry]

This would not be possible due to buying air tickets and pre notification of passengers to immigration by the airlines.
I did not think the US allowed dual nationality anyway.
Friend had similar recently with Australia. Her husband is Oz and her daughters have English passports but are Dual . She had to apply for Visa's the 3 of them. Australia refused to give daughters Visas as they were citizens but they could not fly without. Thankfully Australia house sorted it very quickly!

U.S. has a dual nationality agreement with Britain (I am dual national) but not with all countries.......a friend who came from Germany to marry a gal from Nebraska had to relinquish his passport when he gained U.S. citizenship.

 

[Exfarmer]

U.S. has a dual nationality agreement with Britain (I am dual national) but not with all countries.......a friend who came from Germany to marry a gal from Nebraska had to relinquish his passport when he gained U.S. citizenship.

Thanks for the correction, I am not that up on these matters

 

[Martin Holden]

Darrochs was a remainer who was approaching his retirement, his day has gone and Boris was wise not to nail his colours to the mast. Like him or loathe him Trump is the immediate future and Boris will be a firm supporter, once we get out of Europe and Boris is Prime minister I suspect he will strengthen ties with the US administration PDQ.

Do we really need/want stronger ties with the US though. I would say both the EU and the US offer us advantages and disadvantages in fairly equal measure. Our relations with both rely on people and that changes often with different administrations, so you never quite know where you are. That’s why we need a strong foreign office to sort the wood from the chaff. Darroch was possibly deliberately undone - who knows???

 

[Muck Spreader]

Do we really need/want stronger ties with the US though. I would say both the EU and the US offer us advantages and disadvantages in fairly equal measure. Our relations with both rely on people and that changes often with different administrations, so you never quite know where you are. That’s why we need a strong foreign office to sort the wood from the chaff. Darroch was possibly deliberately undone - who knows???

As the US is already the UK's biggest single export destination, is there much more that could be sold to them?However, I guess there are rich pickings still remaining in the the UK for the big US corporates.

 

[Danllan]

U.S. has a dual nationality agreement with Britain (I am dual national) but not with all countries.......a friend who came from Germany to marry a gal from Nebraska had to relinquish his passport when he gained U.S. citizenship.

Some countries, e.g. Germany, Japan & Iran, don't allow dual nationality to any except minors, once the child attains the age of majority these countries insist on a choice of 'us or them'.

However... the UK, the US and many other countries do allow dual nationality and don't mind someone holding one of the above passports as well as their own, Germany and Japan are well aware of this and turn a blind eye; others are more strict.

I have family and friends with dual nationality and it has its pros and cons; the main con being that, except in extreme cases, neither country will offer any diplomatic assistance if you get into trouble in the other country of which you are a national - it being seeing as a purely domestic affair.

Hence the problem with the Zaghare-Ratcliffe affair, we view her as being a dual national, whereas Iran can state - quite reasonably from its perspective - that she is an Iranian and the UK should not be involved.

 

[Werzle]

Kim was undermined by his comments being leaked and it sealed his fate, boris will be the next pm and couldnt publicly back kim against trump. People need to see the bigger picture of needing to keep a good relationship with america . This has turned into a boris witch hunt but instead should be a witch hunt into who leaked kims advice. Jeremy hunt backed kim because he knows he will not be pm so was just point scoring.