Kramer or new model JCB telehandler.

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
I’d certainly have a good look at the Kramer, if only because JCB build quality seems to be slipping badly. That and their assumption that they’re worth a considerable price premium over the competition, which is really nothing more than ‘corporate conceit’ and ‘boardroom arrogance’ of the highest order.
And come to think of it, when you look at the electrical niggles that seem to plague modern JCBs, and the utterly sh!t paint quality, and the the way that the policy of reasonable parts pricing has been replaced by eye gouging, if the package was right I’d be seriously tempted to buy the Kramer.
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
I like the idea of the torque lock on the JCB and the
cab looks nice , also the residuals look reasonable but
the Kramer looks a well put together machine and
I think the Kramer might be more competitively
priced.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
I’d certainly have a good look at the Kramer, if only because JCB build quality seems to be slipping badly. That and their assumption that they’re worth a considerable price premium over the competition, which is really nothing more than ‘corporate conceit’ and ‘boardroom arrogance’ of the highest order.
And come to think of it, when you look at the electrical niggles that seem to plague modern JCBs, and the utterly sh!t paint quality, and the the way that the policy of reasonable parts pricing has been replaced by eye gouging, if the package was right I’d be seriously tempted to buy the Kramer.
I have been really impressed with the we Kramers I have driven.
 

HarryB97

Member
Easy choice is has to be the Kramer. The best build quality and finish of any telehandler, great cab and joystick and a fantastic transmission. What lets it down are all mirrors on the right hand side which are asking to get nocked off, the poor visibility to the right, operating the pickup hitch is overly complicated and the radio is mounted behind the steering wheel.
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
In the Dyke Back
Hard to believe the steel is just left outside at a certain UK telehandler maker & gets very rusty then they shot blast it & you just wonder if somewhere down the line that is the cause of future
paint coming off & rust starting much quicker than it used too ?? it may have no relevance this but ive see it with my own eyes.
 
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Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
In the Dyke Back
JCB without hesitation as British built and Kramer is foreign. Us farmers surely can't keep complaining about the British housewife not buying British products if us farmers are willing to buy from abroad.
Dualtech trans looks the mutts danglers mind i must say... was that all invented in the UK ?
Its good one of the top makers of all that stuff is all put together in the UK
there isnt many left that are (The Factor Tour is a must see by the way) :cool:
 
Had a new Kramer 407 here since June and it’s been faultless really like it and so does everyone else that drives it been used on the pit by my son who’s very hard to please and he said it grips and pushes very well and is very stable so so far we are very pleased
 

Lazy Eric

Member
Have you looked at manitou? They seem to make a good machine in that class .
Personally I do like the Jcbs that we’ve had very little bother and quickly sorted if there was.. Always seems a ready market for the used ones too.
 
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stevedave

Member
How are you finding it ?
Liebherr normally make good stuff.
I don't think much of it but it was a good bit cheaper than a JCB. It has better paint, air con and radio than the JCB. It looses out on every other aspect though. We find it quite thirsty, hydraulics are fast but twitchy, visibility is not great, build quality is not too good the sheath around the wiring loom finishes about and inch from the plugs once it's out of warranty it will cost around £200 in heat shrink to seal the loom properly, cab is poorly laid out and I bang my head getting in on the cab frame and on the rear view mirror. The worst thing by a country mile is the transmission I don't like hydrostatics much any way but this one is very bad, it speeds up and slows down as and when it feels the need, it is inconsistent when it stops and it doesn't hold on banks, the handbrake will let it roll when you put it on before holding. The resale value is something we don't know about yet but it doesn't look good.
 

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The Processors and Growers Research Organisation (PGRO) has issued new advice to help growers understand the importance of measuring pest populations before any decisions are made on insecticides. Charlotte Cunningham reports. Ahead of the trapping season, the PGRO has produced a new masterclass video to help growers understand how to trap and assess pest populations. The key advice is that using a range of preventative tools will be crucial for farmers looking to reduce cases of pea and bean weevil, pea moth, and silver Y moth this spring, while finding more sustainable ways of farming in line with new agricultural policy, according to the PGRO’s research and...
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