Kramer or new model JCB telehandler.

[fermerboy]

Bollockssss, let some of these Kramer’s crack out 7000hrs. I have one customer who has outed his for a Claas, although I am unsure if that is a great thing. The Joystick in a Kramer with the third function as a sideways movement on the back of the joystick and forward reverse sitting next to boom out on the front face doesn’t half fckkk over a long term jcb driver

Yep drove my mates new Kramer last year, nice loader, some cool features but couldn't get the hang of the joystick at all. Must admit I put it down driving JCB for too long, but it wasn't natural at all. Maybe I'm just getting old.
The Kramer joystick was a treat to the Manitou one he traded though.....

I've said it before on here, like it or not the JCB residuals are very hard to ignore, which is the big factor when overall running cost is considered.
Be interesting to see how some of the newer brands in the UK depreaciate in the real world. Nobody can explain if JCB are so poor nowadays, Why do they have good demand used?

Although he has appears to have driven every brand of loader, and have what seems like loads more experience and opinions of them all than me, I don't think the @ollie989898 has to consider the running costs for any one he drives.

 

[puntabrava]

Yep drove my mates new Kramer last year, nice loader, some cool features but couldn't get the hang of the joystick at all. Must admit I put it down driving JCB for too long, but it wasn't natural at all. Maybe I'm just getting old.
The Kramer joystick was a treat to the Manitou one he traded though.....

I've said it before on here, like it or not the JCB residuals are very hard to ignore, which is the big factor when overall running cost is considered.
Be interesting to see how some of the newer brands in the UK depreaciate in the real world. Nobody can explain if JCB are so poor nowadays, Why do they have good demand used?

Although he has appears to have driven every brand of loader, and have what seems like loads more experience and opinions of them all than me, I don't think the @ollie989898 has to consider the running costs for any one he drives.

It is not getting old it is just not a logical layout.

 

[Mark C]

Yep drove my mates new Kramer last year, nice loader, some cool features but couldn't get the hang of the joystick at all. Must admit I put it down driving JCB for too long, but it wasn't natural at all. Maybe I'm just getting old.
The Kramer joystick was a treat to the Manitou one he traded though.....

I've said it before on here, like it or not the JCB residuals are very hard to ignore, which is the big factor when overall running cost is considered.
Be interesting to see how some of the newer brands in the UK depreaciate in the real world. Nobody can explain if JCB are so poor nowadays, Why do they have good demand used?

Although he has appears to have driven every brand of loader, and have what seems like loads more experience and opinions of them all than me, I don't think the @ollie989898 has to consider the running costs for any one he drives.

100% agree. We run 2 Agri pro's. swapping one for a kramer would have caused a few issues with different joystick layouts and 'more mature' operators . Can't fault the dealer and manufacturer support from JCB and have ordered another. The Kramer was a good machine and some nice features but the JCB Dualtech gearbox and cab takes some beating . Loyalty to the brand over the past 10 machines 25 years has been ackowledeged and appreciated.

 

[Fendtbro]

I have worked on a few in the past and given them a chance but i just do not like them at all.

You shouldn't assume a pivot manitou will be any better condition than a older matbro IMO! pivots generally get a hard life with there first owners and second! almost all will go to livestock and dairy farms or contractors.

Even the youngest MLA 628 will be oct 2009! dont even think about a MLA 630 they will be a nightmare in 3 years time. (there already difficult to get some parts or not available, so in 3 years it will be 10 years out of production as thats about when Manitou pulled the plug on it. Manufactures dont have to support a machine once its 10 years out of production)

That's ridiculous.. that reason alone is for me never to own one! So which brands can supply parts for the next 40-50 years? Fendt and Cat? Who else..

 

[ACEngineering]

That's ridiculous.. that reason alone is for me never to own one! So which brands can supply parts for the next 40-50 years? Fendt and Cat? Who else..

The MLA 630 was a total disaster that's why parts will become obsolete faster than normal.

No modern machine is going to have parts available in 40 to 50 years time.
Probably still be able to get all your grey fergy bits though

 

[Fendtbro]

The MLA 630 was a total disaster that's why parts will become obsolete faster than normal.

No modern machine is going to have parts available in 40 to 50 years time.
Probably still be able to get all your grey fergy bits though

Hmm, I'd not be happy running my main loader with poor parts availability.. to the best of my knowledge fendt still backup my 30 year older loader tractor properly and I intend to run it another 30 years at least!! And our old cat plant is backed up well but these machines are designed to run almost indefinitely and be overhauled time and time again..

 

[Gerbert]

Hmm, I'd not be happy running my main loader with poor parts availability.. to the best of my knowledge fendt still backup my 30 year older loader tractor properly and I intend to run it another 30 years at least!! And our old cat plant is backed up well but these machines are designed to run almost indefinitely and be overhauled time and time again..

Have fun getting new parts for the gearbox when the time comes though. ZF are absolute dickheads, parts for the box in a fendt 600/case 1455 are long absolete.

 

[bumkin]

we have had several makes of loader over the years last year we swapped our JCB 530 70 for an M F Bobcat main reasons for the change were cost the J C B dealer mf was cheaper they gave us a better price for the JCB than the Jc b dealer the new machine came with five years warranty and interest-free finance if i wanted extended warranty on the j c b I was told I would have to go on their service scheme and finance was expensive taking all things into consideration it was nearly £30000 cheaper for the M F we are now twelve months in and six hundred hours and we have no problems

 

[Fendtbro]

Have fun getting new parts for the gearbox when the time comes though. ZF are absolute dickheads, parts for the box in a fendt 600/case 1455 are long absolete.

Oh-no! I have fendt's own 300 box.. they had better keep going with the parts as I have about £60k in my loader tractor!!

 

[Gerbert]

Oh-no! I have fendt's own 300 box.. they had better keep going with the parts as I have about £60k in my loader tractor!!

300 vario? Those are not 30 years old by a longshot.
I think you'll be fine with the vario's. I think all fendt's pre vario had ZF boxes and I would hazard a guess that after 10 years out of production they are about as usefull as a cock flavoured lollypop.

 

[Fendtbro]

300 vario? Those are not 30 years old by a longshot.
I think you'll be fine with the vario's. I think all fendt's pre vario had ZF boxes and I would hazard a guess that after 10 years out of production they are about as usefull as a cock flavoured lollypop.

No no, year 92 300 series.. 3 synchro gears, 3 speed overdrive and 3 speed synchro splitter.. no turbo clutch unfortunately. OK box on the loader and ok on the road, not very good on a baler.

 

[ollie989898]

Bollockssss, let some of these Kramer’s crack out 7000hrs. I have one customer who has outed his for a Claas, although I am unsure if that is a great thing. The Joystick in a Kramer with the third function as a sideways movement on the back of the joystick and forward reverse sitting next to boom out on the front face doesn’t half fckkk over a long term jcb driver

And JCBs with 7000 hours don't turn asthmatic and rattle like an Ann Summers demonstrator?

 

[ollie989898]

Yep drove my mates new Kramer last year, nice loader, some cool features but couldn't get the hang of the joystick at all. Must admit I put it down driving JCB for too long, but it wasn't natural at all. Maybe I'm just getting old.
The Kramer joystick was a treat to the Manitou one he traded though.....

I've said it before on here, like it or not the JCB residuals are very hard to ignore, which is the big factor when overall running cost is considered.
Be interesting to see how some of the newer brands in the UK depreaciate in the real world. Nobody can explain if JCB are so poor nowadays, Why do they have good demand used?

Although he has appears to have driven every brand of loader, and have what seems like loads more experience and opinions of them all than me, I don't think the @ollie989898 has to consider the running costs for any one he drives.

I've never said I have driven every brand/model of loader but don't let that get distract you from running a Kramer.

 

[Werzle]

New holland loadall is supposed to be tens of thousands cheaper and folks are pleased with them

 

[Fraserb]

And JCBs with 7000 hours don't turn asthmatic and rattle like an Ann Summers demonstrator?

We've 2 possibly 3 jcbs over 7000 hrs ones at 9000 as I was in it today and they're in no way asthmatic or rattly.

 

[scottishsnake]

merlo goes well on the pit !!!! hit the diff and will push a 16 t load !!

Had a merlo 33,7 tf5 years now, great thing to drive, pushes like buggery, good on juice, very pleased except for the wiring, always some wire or plug not right. Lost count of the things I've "re-kaboobled" to get power to them. It's a real shame, because other than that it's far and away the best loader I've ever had or driven.

 

[ollie989898]

Had a merlo 33,7 tf5 years now, great thing to drive, pushes like buggery, good on juice, very pleased except for the wiring, always some wire or plug not right. Lost count of the things I've "re-kaboobled" to get power to them. It's a real shame, because other than that it's far and away the best loader I've ever had or driven.

As you say, the green machine takes some beating and they are very very nimble with a lot of hydraulic grunt. Just sporadic build quality.

 

[Ben B]

We've 2 possibly 3 jcbs over 7000 hrs ones at 9000 as I was in it today and they're in no way asthmatic or rattly.

As long as you grease the thing. Our JCB layed down (2021 532 70 agri (prov spec with the 4 speed) ended up been the lock out fuse or somthing dealer took it back on to fix it.

Sent us a literal just picked up traded machine with 3000 hrs 2020 machines. Not panel on the thing was straight or undamaged and the sloop in boom was amazing. I though we were rough on gear but our previous machine which was 2009 with 5000 hrs was a way tighter running machine then that one.

Second hand value is amazing on JCB. That 2009 machine was worth 50% of its new value when we traded it. By looks it probably looks pretty straight compared to the other gear they have traded before.

Only befrifly driven a diec machine to compare with theJCB. The paint on inside of the ladder has fallen off after 1000 hours and some of the paint around from is coming off. But I really like the new cab and the new electric joy stick is massive improvement on the old one.

 

[Timbo]

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Hard to believe the steel is just left outside at a certain UK telehandler maker & gets very rusty then they shot blast it & you just wonder if somewhere down the line that is the cause of future
paint coming off & rust starting much quicker than it used too ?? it may have no relevance this but ive see it with my own eyes.

No, they just dont paint them properly with any amount of decent undercoat or topcoat paint.