legal or ethical?

An old pal of mine had been behind the lines in Burma during WWII. Any new recruits were given a serious warning not to eat the pork supplied by the natives. I think it's the pork trichina worm that has quite an interesting life cycle. That requires a long spell in hospital on return to GB.

Chitterlings- literally fried pigs intestines are apparently quite popular in some parts of Asia. A top way of getting some really exotic bugs.
 

Dry Rot

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Chitterlings- literally fried pigs intestines are apparently quite popular in some parts of Asia. A top way of getting some really exotic bugs.
Apparently, the Burmese pig herd would dutifully follow anyone carrying a spade into the jungle, but they do say pigs are intelligent! The relationship between the internal parasites of pigs and humans has obviously developed over a very long time and works well (for the parasites).
 

Dry Rot

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The local butcher's slaughter house used to be by the river. All the waste went into a bucket then into the river. Rumoured to still be one of the best fishing spots around.
When I was teaching, my pupils were badgering me for the name of the fly I used to catch trout in the stream below the school when they caught nothing, but I never told them. I can divulge it now. Bread paste! :ROFLMAO:
 
Apparently, the Burmese pig herd would dutifully follow anyone carrying a spade into the jungle, but they do say pigs are intelligent! The relationship between the internal parasites of pigs and humans has obviously developed over a very long time and works well (for the parasites).

I suspect a lot of the time these various worms and parasites don't do the pig too much harm.
 
I have read, that people suffering from Crohn's disease can infect themselves with pig worms, their immune systems then concentrate on the worms and stop the inflammatory effects on their own digestive system.

That is similar to the hygiene hypothesis- the idea that because of the modern environment we live in, our immune systems are too easily triggered by normally innocuous materials and cause an allergic or autoimmune response.

This could explain the rise in things such as asthma, although it is obvious that the modern world also contains a lot of stuff you wouldn't normally find in nature- dusts, microplastics, exhaust fumes, heavy metals, etc.

Mind, in some countries parasitic diseases do cause serious health impacts on people, often irreversibly so.
 

PhilipB

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Can`t be doing with ill-informed animal rights types, etc, but the OP totally disgusts me with that horrific question - I expect this forum can be seen by non-farmers as well as farmers and TBH apart from it being a totally disgusting question, surely peddling sh*te like that on here is what I would describe as a 100% disaster PR job for British Farming .
I reckon to be a practical farmer (done nowt else since I could walk, over 60 years) but I`ve got to say this thread just disgusts me:mad:
Find something decent to write about or DON`T BOTHER...
In my defence I said that the idea was 'disgusting'

and yet I think it is worth writing about (seriously) because - in line with Joel Salatin 'The marvellous Pigness of Pigs' - we work with livestock and we all know that livestock thrive best when we follow their natural nature and tendencies in their rearing- and we ought to be building our livestock systems around that.

The question is how far do we take that?

and the point is an interesting one because the scenario suggested is disgusting- (to us as humans) - but as far as I can tell it is naturally ethical- in terms of fitting in with the way of nature (in the wild a dead sheep would be eaten by carrion eaters, and a pig is a carrion eater)

Why do we find this disgusting when nature doesn't?
 

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I have read, that people suffering from Crohn's disease can infect themselves with pig worms, their immune systems then concentrate on the worms and stop the inflammatory effects on their own digestive system.
Yes, there is a strong negative correlation between childhood infestation with worms etc and ibd / chrons / colitis.

I'm not sure of the data on it as a cure.
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
That is similar to the hygiene hypothesis- the idea that because of the modern environment we live in, our immune systems are too easily triggered by normally innocuous materials and cause an allergic or autoimmune response.

This could explain the rise in things such as asthma, although it is obvious that the modern world also contains a lot of stuff you wouldn't normally find in nature- dusts, microplastics, exhaust fumes, heavy metals, etc.

Mind, in some countries parasitic diseases do cause serious health impacts on people, often irreversibly so.
When I kept hawks, it was inevitable that I would occasionally pick them up without a glove and get cuts and minor wounds as a result. These cuts seldom went septic and healed up fairly quickly. That is not the case any more and coincidently I no longer have hawks though I probably have a better resistance than Mr Average. "You have to eat a peck of dirt before you'll die", old country saying.
 

belac

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Mixed Farmer
Location
thames valley
When I kept hawks, it was inevitable that I would occasionally pick them up without a glove and get cuts and minor wounds as a result. These cuts seldom went septic and healed up fairly quickly. That is not the case any more and coincidently I no longer have hawks though I probably have a better resistance than Mr Average. "You have to eat a peck of dirt before you'll die", old country saying.
How much is a peck? ,a bushel ? 20 kilos?
 

bluebell

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It was a hard life here in the Uk not many years ago, i bet not alot of "meat" was wasted? Not my time, but could you imagine your mother buying a sheeps head from the butcher? Or those up north what happened to all the "cows stomachs" shops, whats that called i cant remember ?
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
It was a hard life here in the Uk not many years ago, i bet not alot of "meat" was wasted? Not my time, but could you imagine your mother buying a sheeps head from the butcher? Or those up north what happened to all the "cows stomachs" shops, whats that called i cant remember ?
My partners father was in a Soviet occupied area at the end of WW II. He was very ill, and mal nourished. No real "fattening" food available. His mother bought him fat to eat on toast on the black market. It was dog fat!
 

Kidds

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Horticulture
A Russian friend told me how his grandfather was told to eat a dog as a cure for brucellosis (may have been a different disease)
Would have been around the same period.
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
It was a hard life here in the Uk not many years ago, i bet not alot of "meat" was wasted? Not my time, but could you imagine your mother buying a sheeps head from the butcher? Or those up north what happened to all the "cows stomachs" shops, whats that called i cant remember ?
Sheep heads are good dogs food. I was collecting my usual load of sheep heads at the abattoir when I was approached by a couple of very tall gentlemen. Could they have a sheep’s head? No problem! They were Icelanders and they explained that a sheeps head is a delicacy in Iceland. I can quite understand it as coming in cold and hungry after training, the dogs boiler did smell inviting! But I never tried it.
 

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