Lime spreading rates.

[Valtra Man]

No idea . I suspect the farm lime trade is not big enough for them to warrant the expense of grinding and its back to cost again . If farmers are determined to buy on cost off anyone who turns up with a tipper from god knows where then screened lime they will get

Did you try the lime out of Pyle from Tarmac after? Remember reading something about you talking about it..

 

[Kiwi Pete]

But putting on 50% more will obviously push the cost up. Is that economically viable, or would you be better applying less tonnes of a premium quality product?

I don’t sell or supply anything I consider second rate. It’s premium product all the way. Why? Because I’m not interested in volume tonnage. I’m interested in favourable comments from customers and doing the best job. If you call me looking for a cheap price I’m probably likely to decline even quoting.

This time last year my main supply quarry closed down for 6 weeks due to covid- just as the ground dried up. My main hauliers had a scary week too. I was in a mess, couldn’t supply a premium lime. I gave customers the choice, I can get cheap screened products or leave the job until later.

Some chose the cheap product and the difference was night and day, no comparison and I was disappointed at what the supplier charged and what turned up, shocking stuff. That was the lime I’m most up against when I quote farmers that want a cheap price. Instead of £3/t less it ought to be half price.

We're in a different predicament here Pete, the close lime isn't as good a product as the Browns lime but the cartage cost difference swings it towards more tonnage of lesser product. Which suits the man who makes a bit on the haulage, a bit on the spreading, a bit more with the fert side and then gets to cart the stock away.

Always a big focus on volume instead of value for some reason

 

[jamj]

So when is the best time to spread lime?
Spring, summer, Autumn, long grass, just mowed?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Did you try the lime out of Pyle from Tarmac after? Remember reading something about you talking about it..

Yes on that now. Its not bad but a few wheat grains in it, they have another Quarry that fantastic stuff but they don't grind lime very often so hard to get

 

[Henarar]

Lump of chalk from the cubicles, just put my boot on it, I think it would break down ok

 

[Valtra Man]

Yes on that now. Its not bad but a few wheat grains in it, they have another Quarry that fantastic stuff but they don't grind lime very often so hard to get

I’ve found it decent, you can at least see a white cloud covering the ground compared to some I’ve had that you can’t hardly see a cloud coming out the spreader. Haven’t soil sampled this year but I found that the stuff out of Pyle does seem to do the job well for us

 

[Hilly]

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Lump of chalk from the cubicles, just put my boot on it, I think it would break down ok

Defo , everytime need ph raise roller out ha ha ha ha

 

[Tsa115]

Where is the neareast quarry to west wales? Used to get decent stuff down from knighton way, think that closed now? Usually paying 24 - 25 tipped, haulage usually is the killer.

 

[Sid]

Someone, think it was @Kevtherev ??? , recommending Slag backalong as a liming, plus a multitude of other nutrients, product.

Never did see a analysis and all gone quiet.


We always put ground limestone from South Devon on reseeds and in fact everything nowadays.
Highest NV and cheapest fertiliser you can buy.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Where is the neareast quarry to west wales? Used to get decent stuff down from knighton way, think that closed now? Usually paying 24 - 25 tipped, haulage usually is the killer.

Haulage usually is. That’s why there’s no sense in moving poor lime a long way. If you’re going to the expense of a long haul, bring good stuff.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

So when is the best time to spread lime?
Spring, summer, Autumn, long grass, just mowed?

Whenever ground and crop conditions suit. Plastering a long leaf with heavy dew and then a hot day isn’t ideal because it will stick and (presuming you’ve bought a well ground product) you’ll be dragging some of it into the silage clamp.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Someone, think it was @Kevtherev ??? [emoji1787], recommending Slag backalong as a liming, plus a multitude of other nutrients, product.

Never did see a analysis and all gone quiet.


We always put ground limestone from South Devon on reseeds and in fact everything nowadays.
Highest NV and cheapest fertiliser you can buy.

You love your cheap Laughs with no foundations don't you [emoji23]

I have shown you the analysis of the product many times
Customer feedback has been good ,but I've had no field test results back yet and I won't be fully recomending any product until I do.
Cotswold lime I do have figures for and can say with confidence its the best lime I've ever used and that includes a lot of burnt lime
Limex looks good but thats only on one years results

 

[Y Fan Wen]

All the new thinking in the world won’t change this kind of thing: Where I’m going spreading today took on about 40 odd acres of permanent grass next door over two years ago. Most of it had a pH in the low 5’s. We put 1.5 to 2.5 t/ac across the lot. He reports the difference was amazing. It’s pushed him on to put new seed in and cut overgrown trees and hedges back. The ground is now productive and making him money.

It all starts with the lime.

Back in the 70s when hill land improvement was a big thing, Dad had 300 tons of lime applied to the top land of a farm he had just bought. It was bent/fescue with a scattering of heather. Didn't see much change in herbage for several years but the difference in the stock that grazed it was immediate and amazing.
Then it was white land and now it is green land.

 

[livestock 1]

Never is a long time, is the water that comes from limestone caves acid or alkaline?
Nobody grinds that up.

Calcium lime is limestone dust and I don’t rate it although it does work I’ve put tonnes of it on

 

[Hilly]

Back in the 70s when hill land improvement was a big thing, Dad had 300 tons of lime applied to the top land of a farm he had just bought. It was bent/fescue with a scattering of heather. Didn't see much change in herbage for several years but the difference in the stock that grazed it was immediate and amazing.
Then it was white land and now it is green land.

ha e you continued spreading lime on it since 70’s ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

How much would it cost to buy a grinder

 

[Kevtherev]

Someone, think it was @Kevtherev ??? , recommending Slag backalong as a liming, plus a multitude of other nutrients, product.

Never did see a analysis and all gone quiet.


We always put ground limestone from South Devon on reseeds and in fact everything nowadays.
Highest NV and cheapest fertiliser you can buy.

Nowt to do with me sid
No substitute for proper AG lime in my book

 

[DairyGrazing]

I’m not going to state there’s nothing in what you’re saying and that on some soils it may not be necessary to apply much lime. I don’t know enough about soil biology (does anybody?) to know if 2t/ac is too much for it. But with approximately 2000t+ of top soil in an average acre of land I can’t see that putting A BIT too much lime on is going to cause any harm to anything except the farmers bank balance.

What I do know is, to produce commodity grain, high yielding roots and veg and quality forage, the most economical way to get good yields is to have a balanced pH within the natural healthy balance of nutrients in the soil. And the best and most cost effective way to do that is to add lime or chalk after a comprehensive soil sample of the varying soil types you may have.
On the flip side, adding way too much lime can be a bad thing too.

To my mind, soil sampling should be done when the soil is in its most natural state. Moist and friable with a growing or recently harvested crop. Done on the day of collection, not sitting in a plastic bag for days and certainly not done in a lab where any particles of natural stone, brick, tile, concrete or even lime from previous applications will be ground up into a powder thus affecting the pH result.

No faffing about with expensive but unreliable electronic pH meters. Use the tried, tested and trusted method with test tubes and reliably sourced testing ingredients (for want of a better word).

But most importantly, done by someone you can trust to collect samples properly, keep soil types separate, use method and routine during testing and produce an honest recommendation for lime use. Then supply you with the best quality lime available to spread.

If you can’t find anyone in your area to do that then you’re probably not going to get the most from cost effective pH correction.

I've fallen for the fert reps chat that you can't easily get decent gound lime anymore. He was saying it was screenings and had low reactivity. I've agreed to used bagged stuff this year.

£119 a ton delivered and 125kg of that is equivalent to 1000kg of ground lime (apparently). So that equates to ground lime at £14.5 a ton.

Cheshire

 

[Sid]

You love your cheap Laughs with no foundations don't you [emoji23]

I have shown you the analysis of the product many times
Customer feedback has been good ,but I've had no field test results back yet and I won't be fully recomending any product until I do.
Cotswold lime I do have figures for and can say with confidence its the best lime I've ever used and that includes a lot of burnt lime
Limex looks good but thats only on one years results

No never seen a independent laboratory analysis of nutrients or NV for slag from you.

You said you have sent some away to be analysis but never seen the results.

Now it's Limex, another by product, your selling

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I've fallen for the fert reps chat that you can't easily get decent gound lime anymore. He was saying it was screenings and had low reactivity. I've agreed to used bagged stuff this year.

£119 a ton delivered and 125kg of that is equivalent to 1000kg of ground lime (apparently). So that equates to ground lime at £14.5 a ton.

Cheshire

Sorry but to be blunt thats Tommy Rot
I spent years spreading burnt lime . That would be higher grade than that stuff . We would use 1.5 ton to just over 2 Ton of Ground Limestone ,
At that rate you may as well pee on the field