List price

[onthehoof]

FW have their supplement out with tractor and handler list prices.
What actual price would you expect to pay for a tractor with list price of 100k?

 

[Still Farming]

Daft the lot of it.

 

[nelson]

70 -75 ish

 

[jondear]

Claas 450 with loader last year was 112k list price.!

 

[msheep66]

Looking in Classic tractor a MF 390T was £28k in 1995.
Now The equivalent MF 4709 is £56k

 

[Clive]

Looking in Classic tractor a MF 390T was £28k in 1995.
Now The equivalent MF 4709 is £56k

About right then really

 

[msheep66]

The point is why hasn't what we produce gone up by the same amount?

 

[Headless chicken]

The point is why hasn't what we produce gone up by the same amount?

Using Clive’s same calculator I thought I’d compare milk price. It doesn’t do pence so I put in £1 and divide by 4 for say a reasonable 1980’s milk price of 25ppl coming in at over £1pl today

 

[Werzle]

FW have their supplement out with tractor and handler list prices.
What actual price would you expect to pay for a tractor with list price of 100k?

FW in its machinery matters whats in your shed pages has a mf5712 list price 72k but farmer paid £48,500 if that helps .

 

[Werzle]

Looking in Classic tractor a MF 390T was £28k in 1995.
Now The equivalent MF 4709 is £56k

390 will be going long after the 4709 has died, long long after.

 

[Bald Rick]

Depends on how good a negotiator you are

 

[7610 super q]

Depends on how good a negotiator you are

OK. Dealers tell me that's the price, take it, or leave it.
So what would the next step for a professional negotiator be then, please ?

 

[Werzle]

Always play 2-3 dealers against each other

 

[marshbarn]

FW in its machinery matters whats in your shed pages has a mf5712 list price 72k but farmer paid £48,500 if that helps .

So about 33% discount , which is what always seems to be the going rate.

 

[warksfarmer]

FW have their supplement out with tractor and handler list prices.
What actual price would you expect to pay for a tractor with list price of 100k?

Bought something late 2018 that had a list of £106k. Paid £79k and priced checked it elsewhere and it was right.

 

[Razorready]

Freind of mine told me 30% off retail is kind of roughly were you will be on price with most manufacturers

 

[mixed breed]

The point is why hasn't what we produce gone up by the same amount?

I may be wrong, but...

Were too good at what we do. Fertilisers, agronomy, genetics, breeding, feeding, all means we can produce more (at a cost), which in turn keeps the price down.

Milk is a prime example,
40 years ago a village with ten small holdings of 40 cows each, averaging 4000litres produced 1.6million litres.

Today 1 holding of 300cows averaging 9000litres produces 2.7million litres.

Because the supply is plentiful the milk price has changed very little.

We've shot ourselves (as a nation) in the foot with our advances in efficiency.

That's my thought anyway.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I may be wrong, but...

"We're" too good at what we do. Fertilisers, agronomy, genetics, breeding, feeding, all means we can produce more (at a cost), which in turn keeps the price down.

Milk is a prime example,
40 years ago a village with ten small holdings of 40 cows each, averaging 4000litres produced 1.6million litres.

Today 1 holding of 300cows averaging 9000litres produces 2.7million litres.

Because the supply is plentiful the milk price has changed very little.

We've shot ourselves (as a nation) in the foot with our advances in efficiency.

That's my thought anyway.

Finally someone has summed up the job to a T

 

[e3120]

I may be wrong, but...

Were too good at what we do. Fertilisers, agronomy, genetics, breeding, feeding, all means we can produce more (at a cost), which in turn keeps the price down.

Milk is a prime example,
40 years ago a village with ten small holdings of 40 cows each, averaging 4000litres produced 1.6million litres.

Today 1 holding of 300cows averaging 9000litres produces 2.7million litres.

Because the supply is plentiful the milk price has changed very little.

We've shot ourselves (as a nation) in the foot with our advances in efficiency.

That's my thought anyway.

You're right, but that's life when you produce a commodity. If efficiencies enable cheaper production, then you either have to use them or someone else will.

 

[Bossfarmer]

I may be wrong, but...

Were too good at what we do. Fertilisers, agronomy, genetics, breeding, feeding, all means we can produce more (at a cost), which in turn keeps the price down.

Milk is a prime example,
40 years ago a village with ten small holdings of 40 cows each, averaging 4000litres produced 1.6million litres.

Today 1 holding of 300cows averaging 9000litres produces 2.7million litres.

Because the supply is plentiful the milk price has changed very little.

We've shot ourselves (as a nation) in the foot with our advances in efficiency.

That's my thought anyway.

how much has the population increased in the last 40 years? more food is needed now thats not so much the issue its supermarkets selling milk for less than water