Livestock export/import Ban under Conservatives.

[Sid]

Has this been brought up in a thread?

It's in the conservative manifesto.
Is it just exports and are we going to be able to keep importing ?

If its imports as well it will have a massive impact on dairy replacement trade.

How is a boat trip any worse than shipping cattle from Scotland to cornwall if done correctly?
Discuss

 

[Exfarmer]

Well if the EU put the tariffs on after Brexit, then it will effectively put a ban on anyway.
This ban is a populist move which would have been in place years ago if it had not been for the EU, which does not like restrictions on inter community trade

 

[JP1]

Has this been brought up in a thread?

It's in the conservative manifesto.
Is it just exports and are we going to be able to keep importing ?

If its imports as well it will have a massive impact on dairy replacement trade.

How is a boat trip any worse than shipping cattle from Scotland to cornwall if done correctly?
Discuss

If done correctly distance makes no difference to welfare as Silsoe established with live trials with pigs from the Netherlands to Malaga.

I would say it's a not thought through sound bite

I'm still more worried about what Liam Fox and Woody Johnson were allowed to cook up under the table in the past and to be revealed when UK ag is sacrificed at the later of "higher value" trade

 

[Sid]

Well if the EU put the tariffs on after Brexit, then it will effectively put a ban on anyway.
This ban is a populist move which would have been in place years ago if it had not been for the EU, which does not like restrictions on inter community trade

But imports of breeding stock?

Broad brush approach poorly thought through.

 

[som farmer]

having bought milkers from france and Ireland. Transport times for cattle bought from Brittany, to poole, can be quite a bit shorter, than from the north of England, on the irish ones, they were bought in southern Ireland (down the bottom), these hfrs had to travel to northern Ireland, to Scotland, and then down to the s west, which is a long time. The next problem will be Brexit, whether that will make any difference, it might, or, if common sense applies, not a lot. Then again, live export may be banned, how will that affect live import ? Will the use of sexed semen mean that more uk heifers are available ?
There have been dairy cattle from Europe, and Scotland, at market, in the s west, but its a long journey, to get them to market, and then to go through the ring, and then to farm, is to much, and in some cases, reflected in price.
So, to satisfy sids post, if done correctly, and straight to farm, no problem, but to market, not. And again, journey time, may well be less, again a plus.

 

[Sid]

having bought milkers from france and Ireland. Transport times for cattle bought from Brittany, to poole, can be quite a bit shorter, than from the north of England, on the irish ones, they were bought in southern Ireland (down the bottom), these hfrs had to travel to northern Ireland, to Scotland, and then down to the s west, which is a long time. The next problem will be Brexit, whether that will make any difference, it might, or, if common sense applies, not a lot. Then again, live export may be banned, how will that affect live import ? Will the use of sexed semen mean that more uk heifers are available ?
There have been dairy cattle from Europe, and Scotland, at market, in the s west, but its a long journey, to get them to market, and then to go through the ring, and then to farm, is to much, and in some cases, reflected in price.
So, to satisfy sids post, if done correctly, and straight to farm, no problem, but to market, not. And again, journey time, may well be less, again a plus.

From what I gather distance, or type of stock isnt the issue it's just a blanket ban.
I agree if done farm to farm it's far less stressful then an animal being moved to market, put in lairage overnight, sold around midday and getting to new home late that night or even the following day.

Blanket ban isnt helpful

 

[unlacedgecko]

From what I gather distance, or type of stock isnt the issue it's just a blanket ban.
I agree if done farm to farm it's far less stressful then an animal being moved to market, put in lairage overnight, sold around midday and getting to new home late that night or even the following day.

Blanket ban isnt helpful

My money is it's a result of some pillow talk from Johnson's bit of fluff.

 

[Ball acre]

My money is it's a result of some pillow talk from Johnson's bit of fluff.

Spot on. Wonder how long the badger cull has got.

 

[tr250]

I’m not against live imports or exports but can’t really see why you would want to risk it with foot and mouth, blue tonge etc. Surely now with sexed semen etc there’s no reason not to breed your own dairy replacements

 

[unlacedgecko]

Spot on. Wonder how long the badger cull has got.

She's already scuppered the Derbyshire cull.

 

[farmerm]

Well Borris keep promising there will be no checks between UK and NI.... so just have to bring them in the long way round via 2 boats instead of 1....

 

[Hindsight]

Has this been brought up in a thread?

It's in the conservative manifesto.
Is it just exports and are we going to be able to keep importing ?

If its imports as well it will have a massive impact on dairy replacement trade.

How is a boat trip any worse than shipping cattle from Scotland to cornwall if done correctly?
Discuss

I watched the interview with Brendan Lewis, minister for departing EU, on the Marr show yesterday morning.

In the interview, during a section on trading arrangements for Northern Ireland, he referred to movement of live animals, calling it an 'abhorrent trade'. There was no broader debate about what he meant, as that was not the purpose of the interview, but it was an intriguing sound bite.

Can watch and listen yourself - it is around 22.30.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000c6p7/the-andrew-marr-show-08122019

 

[unlacedgecko]

I watched the interview with Brendan Lewis, minister for departing EU, on the Marr show yesterday morning.

In the interview, during a section on trading arrangements for Northern Ireland, he referred to movement of live animals, calling it an 'abhorrent trade'. There was no broader debate about what he meant, as that was not the purpose of the interview, but it was an intriguing sound bite.

Can watch and listen yourself - it is around 22.30.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000c6p7/the-andrew-marr-show-08122019

I wonder, does he share the same view of people taking dogs on holiday?

 

[Bald Rick]

But imports of breeding stock?

Broad brush approach poorly thought through.

Not applying to breeding livestock.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

This is another reason not to vote for Boris and Brexit as it will all end in tears if he gets a majority. However it is extremely unlikely to occur due to Ireland.
The fudge of not having a hard border will not stop large numbers of animals travelling back and to from Ireland as there will not be a hard border. Look at how many Irish ewes are sold in Longtown. The irony is my nearest large sheep abattoir is in Holland.

 

[Hindsight]

This is another reason not to vote for Boris and Brexit as it will all end in tears if he gets a majority. However it is extremely unlikely to occur due to Ireland.
The fudge of not having a hard border will not stop large numbers of animals travelling back and to from Ireland as there will not be a hard border. Look at how many Irish ewes are sold in Longtown. The irony is my nearest large sheep abattoir is in Holland.

Do you think Carrie understands the UK livestock and meat sector?

 

[PostHarvest]

I recently exported some pedigree bulls to Southern Switzerland and travelled there to meet them at the other end. They arrived in excellent condition, the trip didn't seem to bother them at all. I spoke to a vet who gave me his opinion that if they are settled in the truck, just keep going, there is far more stress and risk of injury in swapping trucks, resting at lairages etc. Sounded sensible advice to me.

 

[Cowabunga]

Well Borris keep promising there will be no checks between UK and NI.... so just have to bring them in the long way round via 2 boats instead of 1....

He is quite wrong there. He's lying again!
Once out of the EU there will be very stringent check on livestock at the Irish border and if the UK bans exports across 26 miles of water to France, then it will also have to ban live exports across the border from N. Ireland to the Republic, which will cause massive disruption to daily trade.

Never mind. We all know how trustworthy young Boris is and how he delivers on every promise.

He is likely to deliver on this by the way, or he might not get his oats until he finds an alternative filly once again.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Do you think Carrie understands the UK livestock and meat sector?

She knows everything that Chris Packham, Compassion in World Farming and every other animal rights group have told her. Don't forget Brian May as she stopped the Derbyshire cull area.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Not applying to breeding livestock.

That makes absolutely no sense. Either live export is bad for welfare and must be stopped or it’s not.