livestock producers- Red Tractor question ?

[digger64]

Yes through the organic standards as I previously mentioned.

Arlagarden has excluded some farmers
RT has excluded some farmers.

but that is not a normal market option

So what thats organic you volunteered for it ,as far as I understand it no other farmers have tried to deprive you of marketing options or exclude you when you chose to sell those cows through the normal route have they ?

 

[Sid]

but that is not a normal market option

So tje issue you are talking about is if RT moves to WLA it would exclude people from its scheme?

 

[Doc]

Imagine that one supermarket, quite proud of the RT association, uses ‘mainly’ U.K. origin pork in its sausages and bacon packs....
I can tell you the whole thing is a sham and it wouldn’t take Sherlock Holmes to blow the lid off it all.

 

[Hampton]

@Bald Rick can you get your imported cows on RT or do you get penalised at slaughter?

It’s irrelevant as foreign cattle get penalised £1/kg or realisation (which I think means whichever is greater)

my 83 year old neighbour has 50 suckler cows. He is not farm assured and occasionally I buy some 7 month old beasts off him. I’ll keep the to fatten at around 16 months. They then become farm assured.
Surely this is no worse than drilling foreign rape seed or German E wheat seed. Have those been grown to red tractor standard.
My neighbour doesn’t do red tractor because he’s 83 and doesn’t want the Aggro. He knows he can only take them to market and accepts he will get hammered on his cull cows.

 

[Tarw Coch]

OK hypocritical @Sid you have your bloody WLA but if the jobs worth doing lets do it bloody well properly lets include the time the calf/lamb spends inside its mother after all its alive and we are talking WHOLE life assurance here and we can't have RT calves/lambs spending time inside a non RT mother can we that would be as bad as them spending time on a non RT farm, so RT cattle/sheep can't come from non RT cows/sheep and as we are doing the job properly hypocritical sid this should of corse be back dated meaning there can never be any RT cattle or sheep, so that's got rid of RT hasn't it cos you want the job done properly don't you cos anything else would be hypocritical wouldn't it

If the jobs going to be done properly it needs doing properly the other way, any company down the line that wants RT assured must only use RT assured , let’s see how long the supermarkets want RT when they’re only allowed to stock RT products

 

[thorpe]

can that none assured farm be outside the uk though ?

if its got a foreign tag they dont want it unless its a cow , and there short!

 

[thorpe]

It’s irrelevant as foreign cattle get penalised £1/kg or realisation (which I think means whichever is greater)

my 83 year old neighbour has 50 suckler cows. He is not farm assured and occasionally I buy some 7 month old beasts off him. I’ll keep the to fatten at around 16 months. They then become farm assured.
Surely this is no worse than drilling foreign rape seed or German E wheat seed. Have those been grown to red tractor standard.
My neighbour doesn’t do red tractor because he’s 83 and doesn’t want the Aggro. He knows he can only take them to market and accepts he will get hammered on his cull cows.

if he takes his cows to mkt and there meated he wont get hammered!

 

[digger64]

So tje issue you are talking about is if RT moves to WLA it would exclude people from its scheme?

nice try ,no it would exclude people from the market place

if he takes his cows to mkt and there meated he wont get hammered!

so much for tracebility then

 

[thorpe]

so what % meat has to be RT for the pie to be RT assured ?

bread and flour etc do not carry the logo is because of mixing with none assured

are you saying meat can be mixed with un assured but still use the logo ? surely not ?

ive never seen red tractor on a meat pie.

 

[Hampton]

if he takes his cows to mkt and there meated he wont get hammered!

He does

 

[Hampton]

nice try ,no it would exclude people from the market place

so much for tracebility then

What makes you say that, all movements are filled out, why do you need red tractor for traceability?

 

[digger64]

He does

there are ways around it for some

 

[Hampton]

there are ways around it for some

I’m sure their are

 

[digger64]

What makes you say that, all movements are filled out, why do you need red tractor for traceability?

so what and no you dont

 

[Hampton]

so what and no you dont

I was replying to your previous post

 

[Sid]

nice try ,no it would exclude people from the market place

So does RSPCA

Its an assurance marketing scheme.

No one is excluded to sell non RT

 

[topground]

I despair at the naivety of those farmers who promote Whole Life Assurance.
The supermarket cartel controls Farm Assurance for their own benefit and if farmers are stupid enough to sign up to WLA they will see livestock markets outlawed at the stroke of the Red Tractor pen, Suddenly the buyer cartels will have the integrated beef and sheep supply chains they crave because they have taken open competition for store and fat stock at the market out of the supply chain.
If you are in favour of WLA and don’t believe this would happen please explain your reasoning on here.

TIA

 

[Sid]

I despair at the naivety of those farmers who promote Whole Life Assurance.
The supermarket cartel controls Farm Assurance for their own benefit and if farmers are stupid enough to sign up to WLA they will see livestock markets outlawed at the stroke of the Red Tractor pen, Suddenly the buyer cartels will have the integrated beef and sheep supply chains they crave because they have taken open competition for store and fat stock at the market out of the supply chain.
If you are in favour of WLA and don’t believe this would happen please explain your reasoning on here.

TIA

There are already number of movement restrictions.

I do not wish to see livestock markets outlawed.

 

[thorpe]

Personally I think RT assured animals should be born on an assured holding.

Milk could come from an animal that isn't born on a RT holding as long as its kept to RT standards for a period before it can be RT.

This to me would be better than worrying about if the workman's accommodation is acceptable condition .

hypocitical milk man! may i say our best performing beef cattle are from non assured holdings!

 

[digger64]

So does RSPCA

Its an assurance marketing scheme.

No one is excluded to sell non RT

He is right you are a hypocrite