Loads of straw

[glasshouse]

I wont need any next year they have fuked me off big time with profiteering, my money is going into cubical s and slats one customer lost here due too their offensive greed, i urge my fellow livestock farmer to do the same, protect your own future.

is it one perticular greedy farmer who is asking too much?

 

[glasshouse]

hilly farmers used to grow their own barley and straw, theres no reason they cant again.

 

[Hilly]

is it one perticular greedy farmer who is asking too much?

Ive had one offer of £150 ton that just offended me to be honest. The rest are totally fine i dont need it but as i say when its back to sensible level i will fill shed again, if it drops too much it will bugger the job for a long time and happy medium needs to be found.

 

[Hilly]

hilly farmers used to grow their own barley and straw, theres no reason they cant again.

Funny someone just asked me last week if i thought it would go back to that, i think it might for sucklers im not sure about dairy, who knows !

 

[roscoe erf]

Ive had one offer of £150 ton that just offended me to be honest. The rest are totally fine i dont need it but as i say when its back to sensible level i will fill shed again, if it drops too much it will bugger the job for a long time and happy medium needs to be found.

As a stock farmer what would be a happy medium price for straw delivered in in a normal year

 

[Hilly]

As a stock farmer what would be a happy medium price for straw delivered in in a normal year

60-80 depending on variety id say, anything over 80 is sell stock or find alternative to me its just isnt viable and im not really into working a year for nothing myself. This month ive seen 3 farms putting cubicles in 2 dairy 1 farm has went from using 1000 tons of straw to an alternative, a 5th farm selling cows and heaps talking about selling cows , high prices are pushing suckler men out of business their just is not the margin in them too cover double the cost for bedding.

 

[roscoe erf]

60-80 depending on variety id say, anything over 80 is sell stock or find alternative to me its just isnt viable and im not really into working a year for nothing myself. This month ive seen 3 farms putting cubicles in 2 dairy 1 farm has went from using 1000 tons of straw to an alternative, a 5th farm selling cows and heaps talking about selling cows , high prices are pushing suckler men out of business their just is not the margin in them too cover double the cost for bedding.

It would be great to get a set price similar to the power stations-contracts and I have tried but it’s getting both parties to agree a price the price swings help no one and while market forces are in play furled by the constant media hype it’s not going to happen a lot are gambling on the price rising this winter so are storing it

 

[Hilly]

It would be great to get a set price similar to the power stations-contracts and I have tried but it’s getting both parties to agree a price the price swings help no one and while market forces are in play furled by the constant media hype it’s not going to happen a lot are gambling on the price rising this winter so are storing it

My prediction is this, they are storing it, alot are storing it alot are storing alot of straw ! when it comes out it will drop in price a lot , a lot of fingers will be very badly burnt ! straw will be extremely expensive next winter , not this winter.

 

[roscoe erf]

My prediction is this, they are storing it, alot are storing it alot are storing alot of straw ! when it comes out it will drop in price a lot , a lot of fingers will be very badly burnt ! straw will be extremely expensive next winter , not this winter.

I’m inclined to agree

 

[Goweresque]

It would be great to get a set price similar to the power stations-contracts and I have tried but it’s getting both parties to agree a price the price swings help no one and while market forces are in play furled by the constant media hype it’s not going to happen a lot are gambling on the price rising this winter so are storing it

Fixed price contracts are never going to happen on a small scale basis, ie for individual straw buyers at a farm level. Power stations are not only needing a stable pricing structure, they need guaranteed supply for the umpteen thousands of tonnes they'll burn per year, so tying up to a long term fixed price contract makes perfect sense. The losses they would make by having to close down because they couldn't get straw in a shortage year far outweigh the losses from paying extra in a glut year. Plus because they are a huge buyer they can negotiate a lower fixed price than any individual farmer can, so in fact their fixed price contracts will probably be cheaper than spot market price in most years.

Whereas any individual farmer user is so small in comparison to the whole market that they can always go out into the market and find straw, so availability isn't an issue, its purely price. So there is always the incentive for the individual to play the market, to hope it works in their favour. Paying over the odds for something in a year when the market is awash with it is not going to be popular. People remember those years more than when they got it at a cheaper price than the market one.

 

[Hilly]

I’m inclined to agree

Hence my offer of £60 ton delivered wheat could turn out a good offer for someone.

 

[roscoe erf]

Fixed price contracts are never going to happen on a small scale basis, ie for individual straw buyers at a farm level. Power stations are not only needing a stable pricing structure, they need guaranteed supply for the umpteen thousands of tonnes they'll burn per year, so tying up to a long term fixed price contract makes perfect sense. The losses they would make by having to close down because they couldn't get straw in a shortage year far outweigh the losses from paying extra in a glut year. Plus because they are a huge buyer they can negotiate a lower fixed price than any individual farmer can, so in fact their fixed price contracts will probably be cheaper than spot market price in most years.

Whereas any individual farmer user is so small in comparison to the whole market that they can always go out into the market and find straw, so availability isn't an issue, its purely price. So there is always the incentive for the individual to play the market, to hope it works in their favour. Paying over the odds for something in a year when the market is awash with it is not going to be popular. People remember those years more than when they got it at a cheaper price than the market one.

Yes but wouldn’t some farmers like to know that all their straw is sold at a fixed price every year at or around power station prices and then the livestock farmers know they are guaranteed a supply at one price must be some that would appeal to

 

[Henarar]

Hence my offer of £60 ton delivered wheat could turn out a good offer for someone.

have you had anyone take you up on it ?

 

[Henarar]

Yes but wouldn’t some farmers like to know that all their straw is sold at a fixed price every year at or around power station prices and then the livestock farmers know they are guaranteed a supply at one price must be some that would appeal to

do the power stations take all they need for the year of the field or does the supplying farmer/dealer have to dry store it for them ?

 

[Hilly]

have you had anyone take you up on it ?

Dont be silly its too early , they are wanting 85 ton ex field for wheat mun ! it will take a little while for them to realise they have over cooked the job.

 

[Hilly]

Yes but wouldn’t some farmers like to know that all their straw is sold at a fixed price every year at or around power station prices and then the livestock farmers know they are guaranteed a supply at one price must be some that would appeal to

What do power stations pay per ton ?

 

[roscoe erf]

What do power stations pay per ton ?

50

 

[roscoe erf]

do the power stations take all they need for the year of the field or does the supplying farmer/dealer have to dry store it for them ?

You store it delivered in as and when

 

[Hilly]

50

 

[Hilly]

You store it delivered in as and when

for 50 quid a ton ?