Loler inspection

[Magnums'R'Us]

We tested our 2 Manitou forklifts one is 32 years old the other over 20, for the first time through our insurers Bluefin and the cost was £250 for both, The guy was on this planet and was very reasonable although he was more concerned about seats and lights and was prepared to put up with the odd drippy ram seals. No mention of stamping attachments or anything like that. The inspection was arranged through the insurance company.

 

[Diesel burner]

How many farmers get there lifting chains inspected then?

 

[YELROM]

How many farmers get there lifting chains inspected then?

Or jacks

 

[Bloders]

How many farmers get there lifting chains inspected then?

to me, it should be done completely, or its not worth starting?
If you list out the stuff on the farm that comes under LOLER, it soon becomes quite a long list!

 

[Diesel burner]

to me, it should be done completely, or its not worth starting?
If you list out the stuff on the farm that comes under LOLER, it soon becomes quite a long list!

Having left farming to go into forestry and construction it's unbelievable how much difference in HS ect ect farming does get off very lightly and are never pushed much to comply. My digger was tested 2 weeks back no test = no work simple

 

[Robt]

I think I may be reading this wrong? You want the insurance company to insure it yet you don't want them to test it?
If you were Insurers, would you insure something you had no idea of condition?
Like one poster pointed out. If you don't agree, don't insure it and take your own risk.

 

[Sparkplug]

The problem with the LOLER testing situation in Agriculture is that it is not properly regulated - as seen from the above comments - every inspector has a view - and no two are the same. If this testing was brought up to Industrial standards I guarantee very few machines on farms would pass at all. You are all getting away lightly, in the real world many of your machines would be marked as "condemned" so until it was repaired to the Inspectors Standard and re-inspected, it would be parked up! So think twice about running along the floor with your TH Forks as your only allowed 10% wear on the heels before they are scrapped and pins and bushes throughout all lifting pivot points are a major failing point, plus cracked hoses, cuts in tyres that may lead to a blow out, horn not working, cab heater/ demister not working, wiper motor not working, seat belt missing or inoperative, mirrors etc etc are all fail points - latest regulations On Site - machines have a Green Beacon- connected to your seat belt - so if your driving the machine the green light has to be flashing indicating you have your seat belt on!

 

[Robt]

That's all fine but it's harvest don't you know so we have to crack on...........
Wise words spark plug

 

[ACEngineering]

I think I may be reading this wrong? You want the insurance company to insure it yet you don't want them to test it?
If you were Insurers, would you insure something you had no idea of condition?
Like one poster pointed out. If you don't agree, don't insure it and take your own risk.

Does not need to be the insurance company your insured with that do the lola test. Any one that is deemed competent to issue the ticket is fine. The problem is i never met anyone inspector insurance based or otherwise that i would deem competent!

 

[7610 super q]

How many farmers get there lifting chains inspected then?

I use bale string.

 

[ACEngineering]

The problem with the LOLER testing situation in Agriculture is that it is not properly regulated - as seen from the above comments - every inspector has a view - and no two are the same. If this testing was brought up to Industrial standards I guarantee very few machines on farms would pass at all. You are all getting away lightly, in the real world many of your machines would be marked as "condemned" so until it was repaired to the Inspectors Standard and re-inspected, it would be parked up! So think twice about running along the floor with your TH Forks as your only allowed 10% wear on the heels before they are scrapped and pins and bushes throughout all lifting pivot points are a major failing point, plus cracked hoses, cuts in tyres that may lead to a blow out, horn not working, cab heater/ demister not working, wiper motor not working, seat belt missing or inoperative, mirrors etc etc are all fail points - latest regulations On Site - machines have a Green Beacon- connected to your seat belt - so if your driving the machine the green light has to be flashing indicating you have your seat belt on!

I only once had one fail on cab heater! Along with a few other bits. That was tested by a local main dealer. Customer got vulcan out couple days later and it passed, 2 or 3 years on nothing been repaired on it and vulcan still passing it

 

[ACEngineering]

I use bale string.

That ruff old bit behind the seat thats amost chaffed through?

 

[7610 super q]

I don't know why folks keep comparing farming to construction. Other industries can add all these extra costs to the bill.
I've been wondering about my elderly Sanderson. Value = £1500, if lucky.
Insurance cost £2-300, Loler test £250, + a couple of hundred to put a few needless things right.
That's £700- 1000 per year. On a machine that's worth £1500.
I don't venture out on the open road with it.
Is it worth it ?

 

[ACEngineering]

I don't know why folks keep comparing farming to construction. Other industries can add all these extra costs to the bill.
I've been wondering about my elderly Sanderson. Value = £1500, if lucky.
Insurance cost £2-300, Loler test £250, + a couple of hundred to put a few needless things right.
That's £700- 1000 per year. On a machine that's worth £1500.
I don't venture out on the open road with it.
Is it worth it ?

No trade it for a new one

Trouble is the world has grown to like being wrapped up in cotton wool and theres no common sense left as its been slowly bred out of the population. People arnt capable of figuring out whats right wrong or safe anymore and if it all goes wrong its fine cause we're all insured and were there blame theres a claim tractics.
For the few that just want to get on with it old school style your still expected to comply even if your just minding your own.

 

[multi power]

That ruff old bit behind the seat thats amost chaffed through?

Yes but obviously double it up if it's a heavy lift

 

[Sparkplug]

I don't know why folks keep comparing farming to construction. Other industries can add all these extra costs to the bill.
I've been wondering about my elderly Sanderson. Value = £1500, if lucky.
Insurance cost £2-300, Loler test £250, + a couple of hundred to put a few needless things right.
That's £700- 1000 per year. On a machine that's worth £1500.
I don't venture out on the open road with it.
Is it worth it ?

Farming is compared to Construction because that is the Bench Mark where accident prevention is at, why should Farming be exempt from Safe Practice and the law, whether you employ anyone or there are deliveries, collections, engineers visiting etc your site, who are at risk of injury, as your Telehandler rolls across the yard and runs someone over, which does not have a working handbrake? I have known farmers who for years have put a brick under the wheel of their TH because the handbrake is not working. The likes of NFU and other Insurance Companies are only Tinkering around the edges where LOLERS are concerned - if they Got A Grip it would be a different scenario - but the way there are shaping - you will be ok for now.

 

[7610 super q]

Farming is compared to Construction because that is the Bench Mark where accident prevention is at, why should Farming be exempt from Safe Practice and the law, whether you employ anyone or there are deliveries, collections, engineers visiting etc your site, who are at risk of injury, as your Telehandler rolls across the yard and runs someone over, which does not have a working handbrake? I have known farmers who for years have put a brick under the wheel of their TH because the handbrake is not working. The likes of NFU and other Insurance Companies are only Tinkering around the edges where LOLERS are concerned - if they Got A Grip it would be a different scenario - but the way there are shaping - you will be ok for now.

No, you still don't get it. All other industries can pass costs on.
If I asked Tesco's for extra money for Loler tests, I'd get laughed at.

 

[Bloders]

No, you still don't get it. All other industries can pass costs on.
If I asked Tesco's for extra money for Loler tests, I'd get laughed at.

i dont think it is quite as simple as you make out!
For example, on the order for some consrtuction work, there wont be a seperate line item for "H&S" (or whatever we wish to term it
Similarly, in the industry i work in (rail related) there has been a significant change to the process of approving certain types of equipment, which has resulted in some companies going from making a fair profit to nothing this year, or worse, until they can become accustomed to the process. Yes costs will pass on but not in such a simplistic manner as the post implies.

 

[ACEngineering]

No, you still don't get it. All other industries can pass costs on.
If I asked Tesco's for extra money for Loler tests, I'd get laughed at.

HSE just does not care about cost and if things are affordable or not though, the rules are the rules and that's that as far as they are concerned. its not there problem if someone cant afford to comply they will still fine you for what ever they can if a situation a rises and you hadn't ticked all there boxes.

 

[Jack Daw]

A Vulcan inspection of a machine is no more than a walk round and and a general inspection of condition something I would expect a competent operator to do on a daily basis. There is no way I would trust a clear report from them that the machine is safe to HSE standards of scrutiny. I have yet to see a Vulcan employee crawl under my machine or remove cover off the spool valves to inspect hydraulic hoses. Vulcan will pull you up on lights, mirrors, gas struts on bonnets and seat coverings but not seat suspension (back rest was broken on my machine during one inspection) they never sit in my machine. It does make you wonder what you are paying for?