London "Climate" Protests

[wanton dwarf]

The primary source of all green plant nutrients begin with photosynthesis whereby water and carbon dioxide combine under the influence of chlorophyll to produce glucose. Glucose forms the basic building block for amino acid(protein) production in conjunction with nitrogen. Nitrogen is obtained from soluble forms in the soil and from fixation of atmospheric nitrogen with the aid of symbiotic bacteria. The percentage of protein in a crop depends on a number of factors but with reference to common agricultural crops almost all of the high protein crops obtain a high percentage of their nitrogen from atmospheric fixation. Very rapid vegetative growth can cause carbohydrate production to outrun protein production in the short term. How protein production in a given healthy plant species is suppressed by carbon dioxide in the presence of adequate nitrogen is a mystery to me. Can anybody please explain explain?

So in other words:
1) Plants grow more rapidly in high CO2 environments.
2) Plants which grow rapidly required more nutrients.
3) We give agricultural plants nitrogen not only to improve growth but also create higher protein crops.

Whoopee do.

 

[arcobob]

So in other words:
1) Plants grow more rapidly in high CO2 environments.
2) Plants which grow rapidly required more nutrients.
3) We give agricultural plants nitrogen not only to improve growth but also create higher protein crops.

Whoopee do.

That is broadly speaking correct. For the benefit of the veggie brigade our nutritional needs demand high protein crops such as peas, beans and lentils. It is estimated that if we all followed this cult the world population would starve in a very short space of time because the cellulose converters, ie.ruminants, would either not exist to provide our proteins or would simply be subsidised field ornaments.

 

[wanton dwarf]

That is broadly speaking correct. For the benefit of the veggie brigade our nutritional needs demand high protein crops such as peas, beans and lentils. It is estimated that if we all followed this cult the world population would starve in a very short space of time because the cellulose converters, ie.ruminants, would either not exist to provide our proteins or would simply be subsidised field ornaments.

BTW I hope you are wrong that maize will be affected so because if it is then that's a major source of food for our way of life all over the world.

Ruminants are brilliant IMHO .. making marginal land productive.

 

[arcobob]

BTW I hope you are wrong that maize will be affected so because if it is then that's a major source of food for our way of life all over the world.

Ruminants are brilliant IMHO .. making marginal land productive.

I did not mention maize having any problems. Though we can digest grains containing starches and sugars we are not good at digesting the green vegetation that is the major part of the world’s most successful and productive plant family, the grasses. This is where the ruminants help us out. This is the way that we have evolved over millions of years and have become dependant on domesticated and wild animals. The veggie brigade can survive in small numbers but the world is facing a food shortage for a number of reasons and their way of life is an unsustainable luxury.

 

[Muck Spreader]

So in other words:
1) Plants grow more rapidly in high CO2 environments.
2) Plants which grow rapidly required more nutrients.
3) We give agricultural plants nitrogen not only to improve growth but also create higher protein crops.

Whoopee do.

 

[wanton dwarf]

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You have your chance to give us the information of how and why maize will have it's production reduce by CO2 .. waiting.

 

[Muck Spreader]

You have your chance to give us the information of how and why maize will have it's production reduce by CO2 .. waiting.

I don't think they know for sure. But it looks like its the rising temperature and reduced water availability that has the detrimental effect rather than the elevated CO2 levels directly. Some researchers reckon that increased CO2 levels could be beneficial to the crop up to +1.5 c but detrimental beyond + 3 c.

 

[renewablejohn]

I don't think they know for sure. But it looks like its the rising temperature and reduced water availability that has the detrimental effect rather than the elevated CO2 levels directly. Some researchers reckon that increased CO2 levels could be beneficial to the crop up to +1.5 c but detrimental beyond + 3 c.

Just admit there clueless. Quite frankly I am not bothered about CO2 levels having spent years artificially injecting additional C02 into glasshouses to successfully increase crop production these climate warriors are absolutely clueless.

 

[arcobob]

I don't think they know for sure. But it looks like its the rising temperature and reduced water availability that has the detrimental effect rather than the elevated CO2 levels directly. Some researchers reckon that increased CO2 levels could be beneficial to the crop up to +1.5 c but detrimental beyond + 3 c.

What are these +1.5 and +3c figures referring to exactly. Maize scarcely grows below10c and at 5c starts to suffer tissue damage so why conduct co2 experiments when the plant is on death’s door?

 

[wanton dwarf]

What are these +1.5 and +3c figures referring to exactly. Maize scarcely grows below10c and at 5c starts to suffer tissue damage so why conduct co2 experiments when the plant is on death’s door?

He means +1.5oc above average levels .. which doesn't really make sense as crops will be grown in regions that suit the crop regardless.

Can't understand the reference to water shortages either .. water is more likely to be prevailent .. unless the human population explodes even more.

 

[arcobob]

He means +1.5oc above average levels .. which doesn't really make sense as crops will be grown in regions that suit the crop regardless.

Can't understand the reference to water shortages either .. water is more likely to be prevailent .. unless the human population explodes even more.

I rather thought it was something like that but an average of what level or is it optimum level? As water availability reduces the transpiration rate drops because the stomata close and therefore co2 is not taken in.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I rather thought it was something like that but an average of what level or is it optimum level? As water availability reduces the transpiration rate drops because the stomata close and therefore co2 is not taken in.

Above what they are taking as "normal" climate without humans being in existance ..

I doubt if less water will be available worldwide ..

 

[arcobob]

Above what they are taking as "normal" climate without humans being in existance ..

I doubt if less water will be available worldwide ..

It is derived from a field of science much loved by a famous breakfast cereal manufacturer, known as Flake Science

 

[ollie989898]

Livestock are very useful for two reasons:

They can survive on waste materials or areas of land that would not grow anything but grass or even scrub.

They provide high quality foodstuffs in forms that require minimal processing.

They provide other materials that find a surprising range of uses, I.E. leather, fertiliser, even meat and bone meal is being used to fire kilns in cement making.

They also turn low quality carbohydrates into high quality proteins and fats.


I'm not sure that halting livestock production overnight is going to help the world's food supply.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Livestock are very useful for two reasons:

They can survive on waste materials or areas of land that would not grow anything but grass or even scrub.

They provide high quality foodstuffs in forms that require minimal processing.

They provide other materials that find a surprising range of uses, I.E. leather, fertiliser, even meat and bone meal is being used to fire kilns in cement making.

They also turn low quality carbohydrates into high quality proteins and fats.


I'm not sure that halting livestock production overnight is going to help the world's food supply.

They also provide food in Winter when no vegetation is growing .. not as though we use it now but people used livestock for heat a well.

 

[caveman]

They also provide food in Winter when no vegetation is growing .. not as though we use it now but people used livestock for heat a well.

Putting your waste into a pig and then eating it is the ultimate in recycling or even up cycling.