long shot for barn conversion planning permission

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

We have on the farm the remaining footings of an old agricultural barn which my Father dismantled nearly 30 years ago. The barn would have been built in the 1800 s ?? and was brick with a Tyled roof with in out doors on the each side of the barn for loading/ unloading, common for that period.
There is nothing to see above ground but the footings are still there.
With the rules on barn conversion relaxing in recent years, does anyone feel there is any hope what so ever in getting planning to rebuild the barn in its original style as a domestic dwelling.

Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.
Thanks

 

[Nearly]

@George from SJM Planning

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I doubt it very much.

General policy is no building in the countryside as not sustainable

 

[Kidds]

Once it is gone it is gone unfortunately

 

[serf]

Just rebuild it as a "repair"
Been done around here but not quite from footing level ....

 

[Blue.]

it's a long game,even worse since Google earth etc
A local farmer rebuilt one in the early 2000's left it 10 years before they got planning.

 

[Austin7]

We are about to submit one wreck for formal Pre Application Advice. It was an interesting building, a Dovecote. I went back 400 years traced its history through Estate & Tithe plans and also 80 years of photographs. Google historic development guidelines in Historic England, National Planning Policy, National Planning Practice and your local plan. Rebuilding is an option outside of Class Q but it has to be of some historic value.

 

[neilo]

Get some old bricks and rebuild low walls from those buried footings? How high an old wall does it need to have to be the remnants of a building?

 

[br jones]

We are about to submit one wreck for formal Pre Application Advice. It was an interesting building, a Dovecote. I went back 400 years traced its history through Estate & Tithe plans and also 80 years of photographs. Google historic development guidelines in Historic England, National Planning Policy, National Planning Practice and your local plan. Rebuilding is an option outside of Class Q but it has to be of some historic value.

in wales you have to prove it was lived in up until 2006 to even quailify to apply for planning ,go carefull that the historic buildings type dont collar you

 

[George from SJM Planning]

If there is still some remnants of it left then there is a potential for a Class R conversion - there is some case law that could support it but that would be for a commercial use not residential. For residential it would have to be Class Q which requires the structure to be structurally capable of conversion.

 

[DanielBennett]

Cjeck out www.dudleypeverill.co.uk
They can help you work out how to maximise your built assets (or possibly in your case dismantled assets).

 

[Farmer_Joe]

prob easier to just build a new portal type barn ripe for conversion in the future.

 

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

Thanks for all the replies, very helpful.

I don’t fancy rebuilding part, or all of it, and waiting, I’m thinking that’s too expensive and long winded for what would still be a “ May be “.

Without researching it, I’m taking it the planners wouldn’t entertain it as it is now.

My son wants to try and get a “ glamping “ pod on the site so that will be the option we will approach the planners with.

 

[Nearly]

Try for a holiday cottage and accept a glamping pod?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I suspect the footings are a red herring.

Be careful not to be swayed by it with wider decision making

 

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

I suspect the footings are a red herring.

Be careful not to be swayed by it with wider decision making

Apparently we first of all have to apply for “change of use“ from agricultural land. My line of thought would be that the planners would be more amenable to siting the pod on the existing hard standing and footings that have never been bought into the field and cropped, ie just left rough, as opposed to choosing another site that takes agricultural land out of use.

 

[CORNFLAKE]

What about trying for brick stables and then converting them in the future. It would be a long wait though but has been done locally several times.

 

[MrNoo]

If there is still some remnants of it left then there is a potential for a Class R conversion - there is some case law that could support it but that would be for a commercial use not residential. For residential it would have to be Class Q which requires the structure to be structurally capable of conversion.

When you say "structurally capable" what would this entail? I have an old Dutch barn that has been burnt, roof has holes in and one side of it the RSJ's got so hot they warped etc. I have no rush or desire to turn it into section Q but am aware it will one day fall down, so need to think ahead as to what to do with it. Had offers of interest in it from next door's land agent re selling it with a couple of acres but declined.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

When you say "structurally capable" what would this entail? I have an old Dutch barn that has been burnt, roof has holes in and one side of it the RSJ's got so hot they warped etc. I have no rush or desire to turn it into section Q but am aware it will one day fall down, so need to think ahead as to what to do with it. Had offers of interest in it from next door's land agent re selling it with a couple of acres but declined.

You would need a structural engineers report to state that the building wouldn't need any major structural alterations to facilitate the conversion.
If you have a building that needs some tlc then getting a structural engineer to advise of the 'repairs' that could aid a conversion in the future would be a good investment.

 

[HatsOff]

You would need a structural engineers report to state that the building wouldn't need any major structural alterations to facilitate the conversion.
If you have a building that needs some tlc then getting a structural engineer to advise of the 'repairs' that could aid a conversion in the future would be a good investment.

I've not done many but what I feel I need to justify for a steel shed is a functioning roof, some sort of stabilised ground (not necessarily concrete slab but need to have confidence you could put a floor on it without significant groundwork) and something to attach walls to.

It's not a high bar really warped beams and roof would need sorting.

For stone or brick barns it's a bit different because the building itself is more substantial to start with. Could take a slightly worse roof and some groundworks because the walls are much more complete.

Not an exact science...