Looks like autumn muckspreading is back on

[Rob Holmes]

 

[teslacoils]

Good.

 

[Rob Holmes]

Strangely enough, I was doing my FACTS last week, and one of the other students was a man from the EA, quite high up too, never mentioned this. Even when I ‘discussed’ the autumn spreading ban with him

 

[Fiveospades]

At least someone somewhere is listening and let's hope that the devil is not in the detail. Nobody has ever been able to tell me (bearing in mind that manure has been spread for generations in the autumn) how many species we have wiped out or how many humans we have affected in a serious way.

 

[robbie]

I just hope it's not one of those things were they say yes you can do it but then introduce so many rules around doing it, it becomes a non starter.

 

[clemmo]

expect it will be allowing low N sources, gym sewage sludge etc but no high n sources slurry poultry muck etc

 

[DaveGrohl]

I just hope it's not one of those things were they say yes you can do it but then introduce so many rules around doing it, it becomes a non starter.

Yeah, the word "nuanced" in there is a worry. Still, it sounds like better news on the whole. Though quite why we need idiots to come up with staggeringly stupid rules that then have to be fought against I have no idea.

 

[som farmer]

while we know it's completely impracticable to do, it actually looks quite good on paper.

 

[robbie]

expect it will be allowing low N sources, gym sewage sludge etc but no high n sources slurry poultry muck etc

I could live with that, there is a closed period already for HAN manures so perhaps an extension to that?

 

[farmerm]

sense may yet prevail

 

[Hindsight]

Watch the second part of the EFRA parliamentary committee meeting last Tuesday. The EA speakers. They were very clear. Bulky manures ok. Poultry manure and slurry problem. The spokesman for the water companies told it straight! Cannot put sewage sludge to land in autumn get ready for us to spend billions on incinerators which will add to your constituents water bill. Your call Mr Parish and the politicians of all political persuasion.

 

[farmerm]

Watch the second part of the EFRA parliamentary committee meeting last Tuesday. The EA speakers. They were very clear. Bulky manures ok. Poultry manure and slurry problem. The spokesman for the water companies told it straight! Cannot put sewage sludge to land in autumn get ready for us to spend billions on incinerators which will add to your constituents water bill. Your call Mr Parish and the politicians of all political persuasion.

I think 150,000ha receives biosolids each year in a country that grows 600,000+ha of oil seed rape... Spreading ahead of ORS is still permitted under the rules is it not? Even if perhaps half the growers are unwilling to receive cheap nutrients or their ground is unsuitable... is there really any great need to incinerate it? It is not more a question of the hassle factor and extra testing and logistic costs for the Biosolid distributors having to work with those growers with a few scattered 10ac fields of OSR not just going in and applying wholesale to 500Ac blocks of ORS/Wheat ground?

 

[matthew]

At least someone somewhere is listening and let's hope that the devil is not in the detail. Nobody has ever been able to tell me (bearing in mind that manure has been spread for generations in the autumn) how many species we have wiped out or how many humans we have affected in a serious way.

It's a bugger when we as an industry have to hang on to the coat tails of the water companies, who have (they said) just three days storage.

The devil will be in the detail, and presently, if 'dirty water' goes into tank, then it becomes 'slurry'.

 

[milkloss]

I still think we need a farmer controlled negotiating group to keep the water companies in check. Sewage sludge is the best bargaining tool we have regarding fair blame and controls do with water.

 

[BrianV]

I still think we need a farmer controlled negotiating group to keep the water companies in check. Sewage sludge is the best bargaining tool we have regarding fair blame and controls do with water.

Perhaps someone should shout it into the NFU's leaderships ear as they seem totally unable to take any notice!

 

[Pan mixer]

The whole committee proceedings is a long watch. It has taken me quite a time.

Generally it restored my faith in Government, the Chair (Neil Parrish mp) knew and knows his stuff and is clearly a clever chap too. All round it looks like common sense will win through, we just want to have the information stated clearly to us sons of the soil in terms that we can understand.

Defra are now chairng the committee that will bring forward the new guidance which we are assured will be out by 'early spring' Could someone at Defra (maybe our hero @Janet Hughes Defra ) could ensure that it comes on here as well as where they might send it otherwise?

 

[britt]

Perhaps they have had to admit that farmers have been unfairly blamed for most of the pollutants that have actually come from the sewage that's been dumped in rivers by water companies.

 

[Tarw Coch]

The spokesman for the water companies told it straight! Cannot put sewage sludge to land in autumn get ready for us to spend billions on incinerators which will add to your constituents water bill. Your call Mr Parish and the politicians of all political persuasion.

A total contrast to the position farmers find themselves in, how do we pass increased costs on

 

[milkloss]

Perhaps someone should shout it into the NFU's leaderships ear as they seem totally unable to take any notice!

Not only have the NFU lost their teeth, they seem to have lost their voice as well.

I don't think any real farmers bother voicing their concerns to them anymore.

 

[Jsmith2211]

Neil parish is a dairy farmer and a very good MP. He actually does what is in the best interest of his constituents. In contrast to some, who are too busy sucking up to boris and using their enviroment degree to tend to their garden...