Loss of Bps

[yellow belly]

The result of the NFU arguing for no cap on payments, I wonder why?

The cap in1992 was equivalent of 190 acres or there abouts

all the payment systems since reduced each time they changed
Coresponsibility levy ,set aside ,intervention and import duty removed ect
the reductions have been happening since 1979

 

[Courier]

I would like others views on the reduction of Bps payments and the un fairness of this when Scottish farmers are seeing no change in their payments aswell as European countries. I am getting really annoyed at the lack of any union that is really standing up for us. The Nfu may as well be called No F**King Use....and the government couldn't care any less about agriculture.....I wish we could be more like the French and cause some chaos to make people stop and listen.....May seem a rant but getting very frustrated with the industry at moment and would like to hear others views.

Apparently “We voted for it” !

 

[roscoe erf]

Apparently “We voted for it” !

well I did

 

[Courier]

Got to smash eggs to make an omelette .

But this government would smash those eggs into dustbin rather than a nice clean bowl …

 

[Bossfarmer]

bit of devils advocate,but is it right that for the privilage of owning 1000 acres of land you recieve a payment of 85k,i know there are lots of tenants on here and people owning alot less but most i know that farm that own that area have two foreign holidays per year send ,children too public school and drive a top of the range 4x4, try selling that too someone on a housing estate struggling too get by,and you cant say they get cheap food because there is no requirement to spend it on production,

Not had a holiday for 3 years, no private schooling, only got acres because sacrifices were made and hard work put in, 1000 acres doesnt pay for itself, every farm has people to pay out, is 85k a good return on asset value to provide these layabouts on the council estates with their cheap food?

 

[Bossfarmer]

Change from historic to acerage slashed mine 2 3rds , i cant compete with folk getting 5 times more than me, well actually i can but when they are down to me level they are fuked

Mine went up as i had less acres back when historical one was set, swings and roundabouts

 

[jackrussell101]

It’s Feckin hilarious really when u think about it, everything they promised about farming post Brexit
Continue to get support probably more….
Won’t be undermined by imports produced to low standards……
Free to farm shackles will be off…..
Tearing up rule books….
Ready supply of Overseas labour to do all the work the fatties don’t wanna do…..
Etc etc etc - was a complete total lie, talk about totally been done over I think the Tory’s av played a blinder……. But it’ll catch up with them eventually…..

Very true

 

[Hilly]

Mine went up as i had less acres back when historical one was set, swings and roundabouts

How nice for you .

 

[Hilly]

Mine went up as i had less acres back when historical one was set, swings and roundabouts

Id have needed another 2000 acre to recover what i lost , but i have learnt to manage with out it have you ?

 

[roscoe erf]

Id have needed another 2000 acre to recover what i lost , but i have learnt to manage with out it have you ?

has he f**k why do you think he moans about it at every opportunity

 

[soapsud]

We should be able to make our own way in the world without social security.

It's the corporate food system not government support which holds the key to farm profitability.

Yep. It's the same old problem. Only a few of us can get promissory contracts to produce in advance to ensure a decent RoR. Most of us produce and trust the market price will make it worth our while. As people keep saying on this forum: if only we could all agree to organise. And then others then quite rightly chime in and say it'll never happen. More direct sales will be the answer for us.

 

[Huno]

There has been a consistent commitment from Govt, most recently just last week, that the £3Bn for farmers is still there. The issue at this point in time is the failure to get ELMS right, no more no less. Yes, it's frustrating right now, but they will get there.

Its 2.4 billion.. what happened to the 0.6 billion

 

[Northern territory]

We should be able to make our own way in the world without social security.

It's the corporate food system not government support which holds the key to farm profitability.

Good luck with changing it.

 

[Huno]

Good luck with changing it.

We cant change it as we now supply the supermarkets or we export into the world markets.. Neither of which look very exciting in a country where cost of production per Ha is about £233 more than other countries.. BPS was sensible because it allowed farmers to invest profits back into the UK economy.. That will stop with no BPS

 

[Greythundercloudys]

Yes Scotland getn the same for a few years yet, as everyone knows if upland and hill places lost the sub that would be the end for most, when the scottish government computers didn't work years ago it was a near disaster as no sub for 14months. It will be less and connected to the environment after 2025, need to be a safety net type payment of some sort still. Headage or acres.

 

[delilah]

Its 2.4 billion.. what happened to the 0.6 billion

Yeah it went down to £2.4Bn, but then last week I definitely heard someone on the radio (OFC report?) say £3Bn, I wonder if it has gone back up to recognize inflation ?

Good luck with changing it.

Piece of p!ss .

 

[Greythundercloudys]

Read a Scottish tory got 88 grand

 

[glasshouse]

I would like others views on the reduction of Bps payments and the un fairness of this when Scottish farmers are seeing no change in their payments aswell as European countries. I am getting really annoyed at the lack of any union that is really standing up for us. The Nfu may as well be called No F**King Use....and the government couldn't care any less about agriculture.....I wish we could be more like the French and cause some chaos to make people stop and listen.....May seem a rant but getting very frustrated with the industry at moment and would like to hear others views.

The scottish govt allowed landlords to evict tenants and then apply as “new entrants” for bps.
Lots of scottish farmers now not only have no bps, but they have no land either.

 

[DRC]

Mine went up as i had less acres back when historical one was set, swings and roundabouts

That was the biggest con going . Stacking all those historical payments in Wales and Scotland .

 

[glasshouse]

That was the biggest con going . Stacking all those historical payments in Wales and Scotland .

It wasnt a con at all, it fairly kept the landlords in check when they knew you could walk and take the sfp with you.
Ten years of lobbying got everything back to landlords first