Low input question

[richard hammond]

Is that not what I just said? If not its what I meant.

I do apologise , I just used your quote as a response! and yes I was agreeing with your quote

 

[SilliamWhale]

I prefer to work on a required input, not low or high, every situation and crop is different, "that is the art or skill of farming and agronomy"

I like low input and high output!

 

[Crabtree]

I like low input and high output!

Keep it up, you'll be fine post brexit !

 

[richard hammond]

I like low input and high output!

don't we all in all aspects of life,

 

[richard hammond]

Keep it up, you'll be fine post brexit !

Another subject? has it been discussed here!! Go Teresa, Go!!

 

[Two Tone]

MILLING WHEAT!
Here is a good low input option: If you haven't bought all the N you need to make a Milling wheat crop get the protein you need, Don't bother!

With pathetic premiums on offer for the 2017 crop, 50% of all wheat planted being Milling varieties (which is double the amount we need), why carry on treating it as a Miller?

Unless you have a guaranteed premium of £12.50 or more and can be absolutely confident that you will not have any rejections, you are wasting your time, a lot of N fertiliser and money - Even if you have that fertiliser in stock right now!

Milling wheat varieties will still produce decent yields without trying to get the required protein.
My own calculations show a (and these are based on fert prices £80/tonne Less than they are today!):
Margin loss of £60/ha with a £5 Milling premium, when compared to Feed
Margin loss of £20/ha with a £10 Milling premium, when compared to Feed
Margin Parity at a premium of £12.50, when compared to Feed.

Is it worth the expense, time, and hassle, not to mention waiting for those phone calls to say it has been rejected, followed by the loss of premium plus the redirection charge?

 

[bankrupt]

I like low input and high output!

You're far too much of an idealist, SilliamWhale.

Back on topic, realistically one's outputs will only ever turn out one level above one's inputs.

Because of my soil types, I'm farming for a medium output from low input, but I fully accept that others on better land will always do much better per hectare than me with a high output from a medium input, as does Two Tone (see above).

 

[SilliamWhale]

You're far too much of an idealist, SilliamWhale.

Realistically, one's outputs will only ever turn out one level above one's inputs.

Because of my soil types, I'm farming for a medium output from low input, but I fully accept that others on better land will always do much better per hectare than me with a high output from a medium input, as does Two Tone (see above).

Not really. Ill give you an example.

For a winter wheat crop I want to farm save seed, i want to no till in one pass and then spray a few days later with 3lha of.roundup plus my pre em if i reluctantly have to use one. I then want to use just broadway star for all weeds in the spring. I want to ideally not use a t0 but would be willing to do two sdhi if needs be (albeit reluctantly) otherwise ill do a t1 t2 t3 type programme and hope the weather goes my way. As twotone says in terms of value for money theyre the worst input. Id like to do this on 150 units of N and i want 4t acre. Possible? Yes.

For a winter barley id again like to.just farm save but it never works out that way here. I want 3t acre from two doses of fandango or maybe a fandango plus siltra. And as its no till in dont want to have to put another herbicide on after a pre em application of liberator or pdm plus dff. I want to get 3t acre off 120 units N as a second cereal. And tonnes of straw.

I think where i live i always need to be on high alert for ryncho and septoria so two doses of sdhi may reluctantly have to be the way it is some seasons but for most other things i just need good soil fertility.

 

[Clive]

OSR was our best crop last year -sold @ £350 with 2/3 still to sell
I regularly read on here about people not spending on osr pre em- fine if you can get away with it but..
My experience is that not using a pre em in osr results in a weedy mess

I like low input and high output!

this is my aim

 

[bankrupt]

soil fertility.

Good point, SilliamWhale.

I don't have it.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Good point, SilliamWhale.

I don't have it.

Dont you? Why not?

 

[bankrupt]

Dont you? Why not?

Everydayvalue land.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Everydayvalue land.

You can create it

 

[bankrupt]

You can create it

Given time, that's true.

I'm talking current crop potential in this thread.

 

[franklin]

I like low input and high output!

Best for low input, high output was that red spring wheat. Output of a 4t wheat crop with inputs of a 2t spring cereal.

Unless you have a guaranteed premium of £12.50 or more and can be absolutely confident that you will not have any rejections, you are wasting your time, a lot of N fertiliser and money - Even if you have that fertiliser in stock right now!

Is it worth the expense, time, and hassle, not to mention waiting for those phone calls to say it has been rejected, followed by the loss of premium plus the redirection charge?

Not sure about this. If you were growing a feed variety and put "x" quantity of N on it, then you get a pile of feed wheat. If nature conspires to turn that N into protein rather than yield, then you cannot get that value back from a feeder. If you have planted a gp1 then you at least have that potential. Most here is gp1 and a bit of gp2 as I would always rather a 500t heap of milling wheat, even low spec, than the same heap of gp4.

If you have the N in the shed, then the question is "can I reallocate this fert for a better return, or just keep it for next year / sell it to someone else?" - probably for me we should cut wheat N by 25kg and put it on the OSR as a late application.

 

[Robert]

Not really. Ill give you an example.

For a winter wheat crop I want to farm save seed, i want to no till in one pass and then spray a few days later with 3lha of.roundup plus my pre em if i reluctantly have to use one. I then want to use just broadway star for all weeds in the spring. I want to ideally not use a t0 but would be willing to do two sdhi if needs be (albeit reluctantly) otherwise ill do a t1 t2 t3 type programme and hope the weather goes my way. As twotone says in terms of value for money theyre the worst input. Id like to do this on 150 units of N and i want 4t acre. Possible? Yes.

For a winter barley id again like to.just farm save but it never works out that way here. I want 3t acre from two doses of fandango or maybe a fandango plus siltra. And as its no till in dont want to have to put another herbicide on after a pre em application of liberator or pdm plus dff. I want to get 3t acre off 120 units N as a second cereal. And tonnes of straw.

I think where i live i always need to be on high alert for ryncho and septoria so two doses of sdhi may reluctantly have to be the way it is some seasons but for most other things i just need good soil fertility.

WTF is a 'unit' of N?

 

[SilliamWhale]

WTF is a 'unit' of N?

Whats written on the feckin bag!

 

[Chemical nick]

WTF is a 'unit' of N?

Our dads way of confusing the hell out of us!

 

[limestone brash]

1 cwt / ac of 46% urea = 46 units etc
(1cwt = 50kg. 2.47 ac = 1ha)
This is what the brexiteers want us to use
Not those silly napoleonic kg

 

[hindmaist]

Yep.And we'll soon be able to fill up with gallons again.(Most probably US gallon)