Luing x Lim

Andy84

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Has anyone here tried a limmy bull onto Luing cows? Just a cross I’ve never really seen? Colours would be good and have a more valuable calf and can’t see too many downsides or is it just the Sim/luing is tried and tested so fowk stick with it?
 

Agrivator

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Some say some luing coos have a bit of Limmy blood already , or is sailer or both maybe 😉

Or maybe come Luing bulls have a touch of Limousin. And some Salers. and some Beef Shorthorns, and some Charolais.


And maybe some Limousins have had a touch of Blonde. Or Belgian Blue. But that has only happened rarely, and I can't think of any other breed which has been used widely to try to improve the Limousin.

It makes one wonder why it took so long for the Limousin to make its way over from France. Why did we pee about with our primitive native breeds for so long? Just asking - don't want to upset any backward peasant.
 
It makes one wonder why it took so long for the Limousin to make its way over from France. Why did we pee about with our primitive native breeds for so long? Just asking - don't want to upset any backward peasant.
Things that helped Lims catch on in this country would, in my view, have been

1. Direct subsidies such as the suckler cow premium.
2. Access to subsidised grain and straw.
3. The EUROP grid.
4. An acceptance of a high labour cost/ level of human intervention.

Basically, all the things they don’t have in Australia, New Zealand, South America etc, where the poor “backward peasants” still have to “pee about with primitive native breeds”.
 

cows r us

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Buckinghamshire
Or maybe come Luing bulls have a touch of Limousin. And some Salers. and some Beef Shorthorns, and some Charolais.


And maybe some Limousins have had a touch of Blonde. Or Belgian Blue. But that has only happened rarely, and I can't think of any other breed which has been used widely to try to improve the Limousin.

It makes one wonder why it took so long for the Limousin to make its way over from France. Why did we pee about with our primitive native breeds for so long? Just asking - don't want to upset any backward peasant.
The American Angus has been used pretty widely to produce the black lim. Higher fat covering, more muscle depth, polled... Those genetics are now in the reds as well.
 

Hilly

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Or maybe come Luing bulls have a touch of Limousin. And some Salers. and some Beef Shorthorns, and some Charolais.


And maybe some Limousins have had a touch of Blonde. Or Belgian Blue. But that has only happened rarely, and I can't think of any other breed which has been used widely to try to improve the Limousin.

It makes one wonder why it took so long for the Limousin to make its way over from France. Why did we pee about with our primitive native breeds for so long? Just asking - don't want to upset any backward peasant.
A back ward peasant are you ? Ffs give yourself more credit than that .
 

Agrivator

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The American Angus has been used pretty widely to produce the black lim. Higher fat covering, more muscle depth, polled... Those genetics are now in the reds as well.

But the Black Limousin is about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.

Why is a fart in a spacesuit unpopular anyway????
 

Whitepeak

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Livestock Farmer
And maybe some Limousins have had a touch of Blonde.
You may jest. But at one point in the 50s/60s, when the French government were establishing the herd books for these breeds, the Lim was almost combined into Blonde herd book! The Blonde was combined from 3 breeds (Blonde des pyrenees, Quercy & Garonnaise) and at the time the French ministery wanted to include the Lims in the same herdbook. However the Lim breeders being, well French, said "non" and refused! And so set up their own herdbook, and as they say the rest is history!
 

Whitepeak

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Livestock Farmer
Has anyone here tried a limmy bull onto Luing cows? Just a cross I’ve never really seen? Colours would be good and have a more valuable calf and can’t see too many downsides or is it just the Sim/luing is tried and tested so fowk stick with it?
Mrs Whitepeak was tb testing at a herd a few weeks ago with that cross and she was quite impressed by the progeny
 

topground

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North Somerset.
But the Black Limousin is about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.

Why is a fart in a spacesuit unpopular anyway????
Black Charolais and black Simmenthal available in the USA. Black Stabiliser available here. Due perhaps to the demand for black leather for car upholstery. It seems the Americans can do what they like in terms of innovative cattle breeding unlike the UK where the deadhand of DEFRA and their unnacountable civil servants and 'advisors' in FAnGR create all sorts of unnecessary obstacles to creating and preserving breeds such as the Sheeted Somerset and Riggit Galloway.
 

cows r us

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Buckinghamshire
Black Charolais and black Simmenthal available in the USA. Black Stabiliser available here. Due perhaps to the demand for black leather for car upholstery. It seems the Americans can do what they like in terms of innovative cattle breeding unlike the UK where the deadhand of DEFRA and their unnacountable civil servants and 'advisors' in FAnGR create all sorts of unnecessary obstacles to creating and preserving breeds such as the Sheeted Somerset and Riggit Galloway.
I m told the to qualify as prime Angus in America the only stipulation is that the animal is black.
 

Agrivator

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Black Charolais and black Simmenthal available in the USA. Black Stabiliser available here. Due perhaps to the demand for black leather for car upholstery. It seems the Americans can do what they like in terms of innovative cattle breeding unlike the UK where the deadhand of DEFRA and their unnacountable civil servants and 'advisors' in FAnGR create all sorts of unnecessary obstacles to creating and preserving breeds such as the Sheeted Somerset and Riggit Galloway.

That's interesting. I've never thought about how hair colour affects skin colour. Do black cattle have black pelts?

What I do know is that pelts from the Simmental, or at least some strains, are regarded as ideal for their colour and thickness.
And just out of interest, is there a pelt industry left in the UK?
 
That's interesting. I've never thought about how hair colour affects skin colour. Do black cattle have black pelts?

What I do know is that pelts from the Simmental, or at least some strains, are regarded as ideal for their colour and thickness.
And just out of interest, is there a pelt industry left in the UK?
Yes, NCT Leather at Bridge of Weir for one. Not sure about elsewhere.
 
Black Charolais and black Simmenthal available in the USA. Black Stabiliser available here. Due perhaps to the demand for black leather for car upholstery. It seems the Americans can do what they like in terms of innovative cattle breeding unlike the UK where the deadhand of DEFRA and their unnacountable civil servants and 'advisors' in FAnGR create all sorts of unnecessary obstacles to creating and preserving breeds such as the Sheeted Somerset and Riggit Galloway.
I think the trend towards back cattle in US and Australia is more to do with the optics of having feedlots full of black cattle, as far as the eye can see, as opposed to hide values. Other black breeds and composites piggyback on the consumer awareness of, and appetite for, Angus beef.
 

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Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

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In July, we opened the applications window for farmers to join our Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot.

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