Measuring atmospheric limits

[Headless chicken]

We have planning in for an extension on a dairy shed to increase numbers marginally. We have been asked to run a simulation using the SCAIL system to show our levels of NH3 PM10 and Odour. Has anyone any idea on scale on this? . IE apparently we currently have a NH3 level of 2663 which will increase to 2875. The person im meant to deal with is annoyingly unreachable currently so i have no clue if this is a safe level or no where near. Guidance would be appreciated.

posted thread in pig and poultry but thought I’d try here too. Has Anyone else had to do this?

 

[vantage]

Sounds like council obfuscation to me!

 

[Blue.]

Should have applied for straw storage building.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

We've just been through all this and it made our application take 12 months. In the end we paid ADAS to do all the figures on ammonia emissions. Our application was held up by Natural England on the basis that they didn't understand their own regulations.

 

[Headless chicken]

Should have applied for straw storage building.

i was too honest!

 

[Headless chicken]

We've just been through all this and it made our application take 12 months. In the end we paid ADAS to do all the figures on ammonia emissions. Our application was held up by Natural England on the basis that they didn't understand their own regulations.

woyld you have any idea what your figures would be? I just want to understand it before I send them in.

 

[Beef farmer]

Should have applied for straw storage building.

Just this.

 

[Beef farmer]

Welcome to the new wonderful world. Green field planning will be so expensive going foward it will put a lot off.

 

[Headless chicken]

Welcome to the new wonderful world. Green field planning will be so expensive going foward it will put a lot off.

In some ways it’s not a bad thing as if will cap some of the larger herds going silly. It just boils my pee when they send you a letter saying to do something and then you can’t get hold of anyone to talk to them about it. Jobs for the boys no doubt.

 

[Beef farmer]

Don't hold back the larger herds.

 

[Headless chicken]

Don't hold back the larger herds.

As I understood it this in effect puts a cap on the emissions therefor only a certain number of animals per site

 

[pappuller]

As I understood it this in effect puts a cap on the emissions therefor only a certain number of animals per site

A roof on the shed might help cap emissions ?

 

[linga]

We have planning in for an extension on a dairy shed to increase numbers marginally. We have been asked to run a simulation using the SCAIL system to show our levels of NH3 PM10 and Odour. Has anyone any idea on scale on this? . IE apparently we currently have a NH3 level of 2663 which will increase to 2875. The person im meant to deal with is annoyingly unreachable currently so i have no clue if this is a safe level or no where near. Guidance would be appreciated.

posted thread in pig and poultry but thought I’d try here too. Has Anyone else had to do this?

On page 8 there is something about interpreting results. Not sure its going to be much use though

http://www.scail.ceh.ac.uk/combustion/SCAIL-Combustion_User_Guide.pdf

and I found this for you as well.

Critical Loads and Critical Levels - a guide to the data provided in APIS | Air Pollution Information System

www.apis.ac.uk

Its a crap day so I might read it myself too !

 

[linga]

I think that might be the wrong SCAIL system....shoud have read more first !

Could it be this one

http://www.scail.ceh.ac.uk/agriculture/Sniffer%20ER26_SCAIL-Agriculture%20USER%20GUIDE%20Final%20Issue%2011032014.pdf

 

[Blue.]

i was too honest!

Sometimes it‘s better to ask for forgiveness not permission.

Also some planning is better than no planning “I didn’t get where I am today without bending a few rules”

 

[frederick]

Its alright it wont be just new builds. It's likely this is a language we will all come to understand when we apply for our permit to be a dairy farm currently planned for 2025.

It may be the case that only the large farms can meet the capital cost of complying.

 

[Kidds]

Its alright it wont be just new builds. It's likely this is a language we will all come to understand when we apply for our permit to be a dairy farm currently planned for 2025.

It may be the case that only the large farms can meet the capital cost of complying.

With a bit of luck the lack of food getting through the bottleneck of Dover will have brought them to their senses.

 

[frederick]

With a bit of luck the lack of food getting through the bottleneck of Dover will have brought them to their senses.

What after theyve just decided 400000ha of land is going to receive extra protection and be added to national parks or similar.
Concerned it may be mine as I'm in an aonb.

 

[O'Reilly]

Is this a thing for all local authorities, or just the ones that want to be difficult?

 

[linga]

Is this a thing for all local authorities, or just the ones that want to be difficult?

Most of them do don’t they