Member of the Public's views on farming

[memberofthepublic]

PARDON MY IGNORANCE PEOPLE BUT ARENT CALVES KILLED ALL THE TIME ANYWAY IF BORN MALE AS THEYRE NO USE TO ANYONE, AND ARENT DAIRY COWS KILLED WHEN THEY DONT PRODUCE ENOUGH milk AND ARENT BEEF COWS KILLED ALL THE TIME?[Scuse capitals didnt notice]..I saw some research which had btb way down on the list about why cows are killed; The number one reason by a long way was accidents on farms..

 

[Robigus]

PARDON MY IGNORANCE PEOPLE BUT ARENT CALVES KILLED ALL THE TIME ANYWAY IF BORN MALE AS THEYRE NO USE TO ANYONE, AND ARENT DAIRY COWS KILLED WHEN THEY DONT PRODUCE ENOUGH milk AND ARENT BEEF COWS KILLED ALL THE TIME?[Scuse capitals didnt notice]..I saw some research which had btb way down on the list about why cows are killed; The number one reason by a long way was accidents on farms..

There are around 35,000 cattle killed each year due to TB, I'd very much doubt that there were that many accidents.

 

[Davey]

There are around 35,000 cattle killed each year due to TB, I'd very much doubt that there were that many accidents.

Unless the RSPCA get involved!

 

[ianw]

There are around 35,000 cattle killed each year due to TB, I'd very much doubt that there were that many accidents.

Or some member of the public leaves a gate open and they stray onto the road,but still can't see 35,000 hitting a car

 

[linga]

PARDON MY IGNORANCE PEOPLE BUT ARENT CALVES KILLED ALL THE TIME ANYWAY IF BORN MALE AS THEYRE NO USE TO ANYONE, AND ARENT DAIRY COWS KILLED WHEN THEY DONT PRODUCE ENOUGH milk AND ARENT BEEF COWS KILLED ALL THE TIME?[Scuse capitals didnt notice]..I saw some research which had btb way down on the list about why cows are killed; The number one reason by a long way was accidents on farms..

Well the 50 odd male calves I currently have in my shed being reared havent been killed ( If they have they are drinking rather a lot of milk )

 

[memberofthepublic]

70 thousand killed as not in calf per year, 50 thousand due to mastitis, 25 thousand killed due to lameness, 20 thou dead on farm, 15thousand calf injury, just over 10 thousand BTB.

 

[roscoe erf]

70 thousand killed as not in calf per year, 50 thousand due to mastitis, 25 thousand killed due to lameness, 20 thou dead on farm, 15thousand calf injury, just over 10 thousand BTB.

where did you get these figures from?

 

[GenuineRisk]

Well, fair play to memberofthepublic for posting on here but I await with interest the source of the figures quoted.

Have just posted on the BBC comments section re the claims that the reduction in bees is mainly down to nicotinoids we farmers are said to use all the time, I'd like an answer as to why we see no hedgehogs here now and why I am finding destroyed bumblebee nests, although fewer and fewer of those as they are disappearing from here too? Oh, that would be because we can't judiciously cull badger numbers, which are the prime vectors in spreading bTB, the main bumblebee predator and squeeze hedgehogs out because they are eating all their food...

Yes, cattle are slaughtered for food every day but that's because it's their time. It's not their time when they are destroyed because they are a reactor before they ready to go, when they are quite frequently in calf - and no, neither beef not dairy animals are killed in calf in the normal scheme of events, memberofthepublic. I hope you read some of the posts on here and maybe why not even ask to visit some of our farms so you can see for yourself the lengths we go to to provide the majority of the population with decent food, raised with some of the highest animal welfare standards on this planet.

The cull cow market is a perfectly honest one - if a cow becomes infertile, at least she has a good use as a source of food. Same with male dairy calves - even those dairy bred bull calves have a decent value now as beef stores (so no, not shot as calves but kept and grown on for far, far longer), unlike a few years ago. With the advances in technology with female sexed semen on dairy heifers and cows, we are reducing the number of lesser value dairy bred bull calves every year as, if the dairy cows don't go sexed female semen, they'll go to beef sires and bull calves then have more value again as stores and then grown on til they reach the right size and weight for kill !

So before you criticise the vast majority of us decent farmers that look after our stock well, maybe you should check the source of your misinformation.

 

[NZDan]

The number one reason by a long way was accidents on farms.

70 thousand killed as not in calf per year, 50 thousand due to mastitis, 25 thousand killed due to lameness, 20 thou dead on farm, 15thousand calf injury, just over 10 thousand BTB.

Are the animals killed because of the above reasons? Or culled? ie Killed and the remains disposed of, or culled and on sold to a processing plant?

 

[llamedos]

memberofthepublic sounds like they have been listening to big hat no cattle await confirmation of stats with interest

 

[masseyjack]

I'd like to know what memberofthepublic suggests doing with these cows that are `killed' those that do not end up in the food chain, which are probably unhealthy and would eventually die in a far more unpleasant if natural death. The answer is probably veganism, in their eyes, but then how would the many tens of million of cattle, sheep, pigs, etc be managed?

 

[B&B Pig Man]

I think 'memberofthepublic' has been quite brave to join this forum and express their views.

Can we please extend them the courtesy of allowing them to reply to one or two questions, before we all fire things at them.

This doesn't want turning into an 'us v's them' argument.

 

[grumpy]

i will eat memberofthepublic if you guys want,

 

[grumpy]

I think 'memberofthepublic' has been quite brave to join this forum and express their views.

Can we please extend them the courtesy of allowing them to reply to one or two questions, before we all fire things at them.

This doesn't want turning into an 'us v's them' argument.

oops,i posted to soon

 

[azimuth]

PARDON MY IGNORANCE PEOPLE BUT ARENT CALVES KILLED ALL THE TIME ANYWAY IF BORN MALE AS THEYRE NO USE TO ANYONE, AND ARENT DAIRY COWS KILLED WHEN THEY DONT PRODUCE ENOUGH milk AND ARENT BEEF COWS KILLED ALL THE TIME?[Scuse capitals didnt notice]..I saw some research which had btb way down on the list about why cows are killed; The number one reason by a long way was accidents on farms..

i will take any FREE male calves!

 

[NZDan]

i will take any FREE male calves!

So will I.

 

[NZDan]

And bt the way, a warm welcome to "member of the public" I hope you enjoy being a member here, its a lot of fun and mostly very educational

 

[azimuth]

beat ya to that one Grumpy,bein a Scotsman thought youd a been in first for the free calves,you can av the next batch

 

[joe soapy]

Surely its all about the best way of ridding the countryside of a very nasty disease, dont matter if its cows or badgers
it needs rid of in the fastest, most effective way before the countryside becomes a total nogo area

 

[Yale]

And bt the way, a warm welcome to "member of the public" I hope you enjoy being a member here, its a lot of fun and mostly very educational

And educating they need as they quite literally do not have a clue.