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Margin over all feed per acre would be even more.Kgs Of solids be more interesting
Margin over all feed per acre would be even more.Kgs Of solids be more interesting
Bottom line would be best!
The margin over purchased feed and over all feed per cow and per acre are the important ones for me. I'm not interested in a business's overheads, depreciation, debt or profit. That's nothing to do with herd performance and very personal, although at a private level I'm fascinated by the vast differences between businesses and how they relate to age, family demographics and attitude to risk, not least by luck and timing.Dont be so silly, the most important thing is just to pick one KPI that makes you look good then just ignore all the rest.
The margin over purchased feed and over all feed per cow and per acre are the important ones for me. I'm not interested in a business's overheads, depreciation, debt or profit. That's nothing to do with herd performance and very personal.
I beg to greatly differ. Herd performance is herd performance. The rest is comprehensively variable and none of anyone's business unless volunteered. Obviously nobody has to volunteer herd performance either but it is what is relevant to the herd of cows as opposed to the farm.But you have to realize that without seeing the other figures, or at least have a physical walk around the farm to see the system that is being operated, it is 100% meaningless.
Forage wagon? Nah, you're better off with a baler?
But surely herd performance is influenced greatly by what's going on on the rest of the farm?I beg to greatly differ. Herd performance is herd performance. The rest is comprehensively variable and none of anyone's business unless volunteered. Obviously nobody has to volunteer herd performance either but it is what is relevant to the herd of cows as opposed to the farm.
I beg to greatly differ. Herd performance is herd performance. The rest is comprehensively variable and none of anyone's business unless volunteered. Obviously nobody has to volunteer herd performance either but it is what is relevant to the herd of cows as opposed to the farm.
Could well be but as I said, herd performance has nothing to do with your overheads. 4000 litres even at 38ppl brings in £1520/cow income, less £300 of concentrates to give a margin over purchased feed of just over £1200 at a wild guess. No idea why 4000 litres needs a ton of cake, but there you go.I do a bit over 4000 litres on 750-1000kg cake. I bet my MOPF would put me in the bottom 10% but I'm pretty confident that in terms of bottom line I would be quite a long way from the bottom 10%.
Could well be but as I said, herd performance has nothing to do with your overheads. 4000 litres even at 38ppl brings in £1520/cow income, less £300 of concentrates to give a margin over purchased feed of just over £1200 at a wild guess. No idea why 4000 litres needs a ton of cake, but there you go.
I do about 8200 litres on about 1.8 tons of cake at £0.27 = £2214 less £387 for feed which gives a margin over feed per cow of £1827 and I keep a cow per acre. Which is very average indeed these days.
All kinds of things impact on whether a living can be made at this level, either level of course. These include how much rent is paid, if any. Capital repayments and interest on debt, if any. Amount of labour hired in, if any above family. The number of cows. The number of acres farmed in total, although any concentrate grown on the arable side should be sold at commercial prices to the dairy enterprise.
There's all kind of management reasons why you may live better than I or I better than you and it isn't the performance of the cow. Although all other things being equal it certainly is the performance of the cow and the milk contract price that brings in the dough to pay the bills.
I fail to see how you possibly can if you are a savvy businessman.I think its safest to say that I/we agree to disagree because I still disagree with all of your points.
I fail to see how you possibly can if you are a savvy businessman.
Add some cows to the pic and put in all things dairy!Never said I was.
My cows spent the day here and are back to grass tonight, I have a very little infrastructure. How would MOPF tell you anything about my bottom line when compared to an 8000l ww herd with a 200 day winter?
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The year on 3x really boosted your performanceI do a bit over 4000 litres on 750-1000kg cake. I bet my MOPF would put me in the bottom 10% but I'm pretty confident that in terms of bottom line I would be quite a long way from the bottom 10%.
Add some cows to the pic and put in all things dairy!
[QUOTE="dairydurham, post: 7218704Margin over all feed per acre would be even more.
Could well be but as I said, herd performance has nothing to do with your overheads. 4000 litres even at 38ppl brings in £1520/cow income, less £300 of concentrates to give a margin over purchased feed of just over £1200 at a wild guess. No idea why 4000 litres needs a ton of cake, but there you go.
I do about 8200 litres on about 1.8 tons of cake at £0.27 = £2214 less £387 for feed which gives a margin over feed per cow of £1827 and I keep a cow per acre. Which is very average indeed these days.
All kinds of things impact on whether a living can be made at this level, either level of course. These include how much rent is paid, if any. Capital repayments and interest on debt, if any. Amount of labour hired in, if any above family. The number of cows. The number of acres farmed in total, although any concentrate grown on the arable side should be sold at commercial prices to the dairy enterprise.
There's all kind of management reasons why you may live better than I or I better than you and it isn't the performance of the cow. Although all other things being equal it certainly is the performance of the cow and the milk contract price that brings in the dough to pay the bills.