spin cycle
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- north norfolk
...as the fahr km22 copies are often reffered to?.....are there any decent ones??....choice of brands is bewildering
monkey metal mowers...
- Thread starter spin cycle
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We have a Polish one for sale, come round and have a look if you like. We replaced the PTO with a hydraulic motor as the PTO self destructs on breakback on our mole hills.
Stephen
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brynseiri
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- Conwy, North Wales
Zagroblabelarussiamexicochinkwank ones are ok, if you can find spares for them.
Deere 6430
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The weaving ones which are Samasz are good and I would recommend as we have one.
Dave W
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- chesterfield
Find and buy a decent used pz. It will outlast all the cheapo ones.
Plenty of folk will tell you the copies are good machines but equally you do see lots that are broken in sales
Plenty of folk will tell you the copies are good machines but equally you do see lots that are broken in sales
brynseiri
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- Conwy, North Wales
Until today I thought mesko roll was some sort of cling film the wife uses for baking. Learn something every day.
But....for someone who only does small acreages, would they be OK ?
Dave W
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- chesterfield
I'd still buy a used pz.
How much is a samasz or whatever?1500???
£1000 will get you a very smart pz only a few years old
multi power
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- pembrokeshire
Can you still get claas two drum mowers?
Most of them no,not for very long anyway,metal quality is very poor,Samasz is about the best of em,we had a Kverneland one which looked very strong but had many problems,headstock broke,oil leaks,poor belts,the top shaft broke in the end and it was scrapped.Ours probably cut about 500 acres over 10 years.
Mursal
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Any chance of a few pics of the conversion?
Yes although I think they start at 6 foot instead of 5'6
I imagine a Claas would be a lot dearer than a Samasz etc, although it might last longer
We had a Claas 2 drum mower for about 20 years which is pretty good considering the amount of times the old boy hit it off stones trying to get every last blade of grass in the dyke back
smcapstick
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- Kirkby Lonsdale
For all those posting 'monkey metal' comments - where do you think Claas, Vicon etc. have their mowers made? Do you think they're on the production line between Claas Jaguar 870s and Vicon 803 forage wagons?
Are VW Passats made of monkey metal, too?
Yes, cheap drum mowers are built to a price but also to a design - be it a KM22 or a PZ. They are cheap because they are simple and the design licences are very cheap, due to age. That means there is no need for any major development, further reducing cost.
Yes, you do see broken ones on sales. Does that mean they are bad? Or does it mean that they are so affordable you might as well buy another when something breaks? You see a damn sight more PZs at collective sales, perhaps 50 PZs for every 1 Samasz or whatever - the difference is, people buy the PZs and rebuild them to sell to smallholders or 'horsey folk'. They could equally buy the Czech or Polish machines and put a bevel gear in (or whatever) for £70 + VAT but they don't because to them, a 'proper' drum mower is red with a cream skirt, not green with a yellow one. It's the Land Rover argument all over again - why are there so many old Defenders still going? Is it because they are so good? Or that each and every time they inevitably break down, people constantly repair them and keep them going, rather than bin them when they start to get iffy as people do with Japanese 4x4s.
There are tens of thousands or Samasz, Talex and Mesko-Rol mowers in use around the world, with a great many years and acres under their belt.
The problem with TFF armchair experts and know-it-alls on here can be summarised thus: They hang around at junk sales, so all they see is junk.
Are VW Passats made of monkey metal, too?
Yes, cheap drum mowers are built to a price but also to a design - be it a KM22 or a PZ. They are cheap because they are simple and the design licences are very cheap, due to age. That means there is no need for any major development, further reducing cost.
Yes, you do see broken ones on sales. Does that mean they are bad? Or does it mean that they are so affordable you might as well buy another when something breaks? You see a damn sight more PZs at collective sales, perhaps 50 PZs for every 1 Samasz or whatever - the difference is, people buy the PZs and rebuild them to sell to smallholders or 'horsey folk'. They could equally buy the Czech or Polish machines and put a bevel gear in (or whatever) for £70 + VAT but they don't because to them, a 'proper' drum mower is red with a cream skirt, not green with a yellow one. It's the Land Rover argument all over again - why are there so many old Defenders still going? Is it because they are so good? Or that each and every time they inevitably break down, people constantly repair them and keep them going, rather than bin them when they start to get iffy as people do with Japanese 4x4s.
There are tens of thousands or Samasz, Talex and Mesko-Rol mowers in use around the world, with a great many years and acres under their belt.
The problem with TFF armchair experts and know-it-alls on here can be summarised thus: They hang around at junk sales, so all they see is junk.
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multi power
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- pembrokeshire
I think you do have a good point
I'm also pretty sure some things are not so well made as they used to be
As for claas two drum mowers I don't think they have much resemblance to the likes of pz
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Had a sleeve to fit the hyd motor (from Flowfit) to the shaft which had the driven pulley machined up, as we cannot do internal keyways. Note nettles cut down for your viewing pleasure, and stokbord guard.
Claas did sell ZTR mowers badged unifarm for a while
Claas mower we had was fully shaft driven , quite different from a PZ
I remember the original fahr km22 was really well made. We had a couple for years with no problems. Each one will have done couple of hundred acres of heavy going every year. Then the old man bought a Zetor thing or something that was a pz copy, What a piece of shite that was! Brand new , the whole hood cracked up and fell to bits in first year and second year belts snapped twice and gearbox ate its self.[emoji53]
Vincent
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- Kildare Ireland
I've a Sip roto 165 for ten years now and find it a well built and finished mower, only pity is I should have got the 2.2 meter one.