monkey metal mowers...

[Vincent]

The Sip new in 2005 and still fresh does about 40/50 acres a year

 

[smcapstick]

I take objection to that. I've worked on and repaired many different mowers and machines. I'm also a qualified fabricator so yes I do know what I'm talking about.

I've seen quite a few samasz where the trough has cracked and the entire drum has been left behind. The gears are least of the problem. The frame will fail before the gears do

Of course you take exception, you're a prime culprit!

You're saying that this:

...is a stronger machine than these:

 

[multi power]

Trouble is....buying one second hand, unless you can lift it up with a tractor, you can't tell what state the saucer is in. My 35 year old PZ looks alright from a distance......but it bloody well isn't. Unable to get the saucer off to replace the bearings...so it's scrap.

Why can't you get the saucers off?

 

[Grassman]

The big important issue with non mainstream brands is backup. 10 years down the line you will get a part for a John deere mower and it will be worth repairing.
With cheaper brands it isn't always the case!

 

[Dave W]

Of course you take exception, you're a prime culprit!

You're saying that this:
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...is a stronger machine than these:

No not at all. That's a 30 year old pz. I'm talking about one at 3 or 4 years old being less money than a samasz and a significantly better product

 

[7610 super q]

Why can't you get the saucers off?

Don't know. I've had them off twice to replace hub bearings. This time they won't budge. They might do with heat......maybe.

 

[multi power]

Don't know. I've had them off twice to replace hub bearings. This time they won't budge. They might do with heat......maybe.

Get the gas out then

 

[Dave W]

Don't know. I've had them off twice to replace hub bearings. This time they won't budge. They might do with heat......maybe.

They can be a bit tight if they've had a bit of water round them. 3 or 4 wooden wedges between drum and saucer is a good start

 

[balerman]

Every single person that has complained about the quality of the steel these machines are made from has literally no idea what they are talking about.

It's very likely to be the same stuff at their local steel suppliers, too.

You are saying that these mowers are built as well and will last as long as the original Fahr and PZ ones.That is simply not true of any of the ones I have seen,whether ANY new machinery is built as strongly as it was back then is another question entirely.

 

[smcapstick]

You are saying that these mowers are built as well and will last as long as the original Fahr and PZ ones.That is simply not true of any of the ones I have seen,whether ANY new machinery is built as strongly as it was back then is another question entirely.

Quite the opposite - that comment is crucial. You singled-out Eastern European marques earlier on, now you have broadened to all. If it's indeed the case, why single out anything at all?

 

[spin cycle]

what have i started

 

[Mickstup]

The first fahr we had went on the back of a 2wd 4000, lasted for years. Everything small since fell to sh!t on the back of 90 to 110 HP 4wd

 

[Dave W]

what have i started

You questioned the world according to capstick and that's not allowed

 

[Monty]

Trouble is....buying one second hand, unless you can lift it up with a tractor, you can't tell what state the saucer is in. My 35 year old PZ looks alright from a distance......but it bloody well isn't. Unable to get the saucer off to replace the bearings...so it's scrap.

Weld an old haybob tine/metal bar to the grub screws. You can soon wind them out then.

 

[7610 super q]

Weld an old haybob tine/metal bar to the grub screws. You can soon wind them out then.

Got them out with a chisel. And sledgehammered wedges in. No joy. Saucers are badly worn anyway, and the Guard is a bit threadbare too. So I've decided to scrap it. Organised a contractor to mow this year, and will have to decide whether to go "Polish" or look for a tidy secondhand PZ next year. If I do find a PZ, then maybe my old one could be a source of spare parts.

 

[Monty]

We had the misfortune to own a sip roto185. Saucer hub had to be replaced due to excessive wear because it was made from cheese, the main shaft along the top of the mower sheared off twice because they're made of butter, Inside bearings were hanging over the edge of a step in the shaft which caused the shaft to wear down, one of the drums parted company with the rest of the mower in the field because the nut came undone holding it on and the headstock had to be replaced because the welding failed and it twisted.
Maybe the smaller 5ft 6 one isn't as bad because they're not under the same pressure but I wouldn't touch anything sip again with a bargepole

We also had a kverneland drum mower which wasn't much better. Now have a class corto and it's in a different league build quality wise. 1994 model I think and still looks very tidy. Plus they have actually bothered to harden the shafts in it

 

[multi power]

Got them out with a chisel. And sledgehammered wedges in. No joy. Saucers are badly worn anyway, and the Guard is a bit threadbare too. So I've decided to scrap it. Organised a contractor to mow this year, and will have to decide whether to go "Polish" or look for a tidy secondhand PZ next year. If I do find a PZ, then maybe my old one could be a source of spare parts.

How much do you want for the pz?

 

[7610 super q]

How much do you want for the pz?

Think I'll keep it for a while, till I find a replacement. If I can find another PZ, I'll use my old one for spares.

 

[multi power]

Think I'll keep it for a while, till I find a replacement. If I can find another PZ, I'll use my old one for spares.

Well I don't know how you sleep at night, you should buy a new one that's made from cheese. It's no wonder dairy farmers have no money to buy your grain

 

[7610 super q]

Well I don't know how you sleep at night, you should buy a new one that's made from cheese. It's no wonder dairy farmers have no money to buy your grain

I know of one that's not done much work on an elderly neighbours farm......hoping to pick it up...if and when he retires.