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From roundup or all the other nasties you've been spraying over the years?
Monsanto court case
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yorkie
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that was the thing when it first came out ,is safe to drink,but no one with a metal sprayer,was spraying for a contracter when it first came out,have hade 12 members of family die of cancer and I am still healthy
those strange things usualy mean ,who has the most expensive lawyer
Farfrae
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Some serious science being discussed here by scores of PhD level biochemists, oncologists, epidemiologists, toxicologists, statisticians and researchers not to mention the old boy whose grandad smoked 100 cigarettes a day and lived to 103.
Goweresque
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This is my point. If there's any truth in the 'glyphosate causes cancer' theory, then the place that it should be showing up in spray operators, and farmers generally, because they will be exposed to doses far in excess of the food residues than the general public would be exposed to. So unless farmers and farm workers are disproportionately affected by cancer (and as far as I'm aware no one is suggesting such a thing) then the logical conclusion is that agro-chemicals are pretty safe.
Just picking as a test case one random person who happens to have got cancer and uses roundup means nothing, unless you look at the whole body of people using it, and if they are or are not showing higher cancer rates than the general population.
I forgot you liked a good conspiracy theory Clive.
Mind you I've heard rumours that Llamados disappeared because she found photos in your old office of Lord Lucan filming the moon landings in your back barns.
ollie989898
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If you looked hard enough you would find most chemicals used in industry or agriculture were carcinogenic or similar. Petrol and diesel both contain carcinogenic compounds, how many here refuse to wear gloves when handling them?
Guy, I’m hoping you’ll remember where this happened but it was an interested read.
Last year I remember reading somewhere I think about allowing GM to be legal in the EU and they quoted in the trial how many tonnes of sweet corn you’d need to eat for a thistle/nettle to die from your urine. Basically you couldn’t digest the tonnages they were on About but your urine would kill the plant within a few days/week anyway
I've got a horrible feeling that glyphosate will end up banned and it will be a triumph for anti-science over science. But we will keep battling away to ensure we keep it for as long as possible.
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And it’ll be terrible day when it is banned for a lot of people!
Between trilurafin and isoputoron people think they wouldn’t cope and although nothing has come close to replacing them the chemical companies soon had very good alternatives - surely they have something in the pipeline to replace glyphosate but won’t release it until they have to once glyphosate is gone?
Keep up the good work @Guy Smith
The best and most true reply so far.....
SilliamWhale
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Dogging is carcinogenic. Potentially...
ollie989898
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I've told you before; leave the windows open and no smoking.
SilliamWhale
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that was the thing when it first came out ,is safe to drink,but no one with a metal sprayer,was spraying for a contracter when it first came out,have hade 12 members of family die of cancer and I am still healthy
I've known people who've died of something they've never died of before
Chasingmytail
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Exactly and look at the big business in congress. Science is not impartial in the USA it is controlled by money look up Koch Brothers! Does anyone follow the rules and regs in parts of the USA where you are banned and confiscated from selling things like raw milk, small farmers are bullied out of business, Your not allowed to keep bees! states are controlled by the big boys. Plenty of vids on Youtube where farmers have tried to expose the truths but been threatened . The police, unlike here, turn up for any minor so called injustice. If I remember there are something like only 4 main food business' on the whole of the USA that control the strings. The whole country is corrupt. Pharmers are veins of the USA big from the very top.Monsanto are good friends with congress
I don’t expect they are too concerned
There is a well established sequence of events here:
1) Farmers are sold a wonder chemical and become addicted to it; in time saying they can't possibly farm without it despite the fact that they did so for eons.
2) The environmental movement raises concerns about said chemical, and is roundly ridiculed by farmers for doing so.
3) Said chemical is banned.
4) Farmers say, whenever they are criticised for using whatever comes along next, "oh it's ok, we used to use nasty things like xxx but we recognised that it was dangerous so we dont allow it in the UK anymore, todays chemicals are totally different and perfectly safe".
So it will be with glyphosate.
1) Farmers are sold a wonder chemical and become addicted to it; in time saying they can't possibly farm without it despite the fact that they did so for eons.
2) The environmental movement raises concerns about said chemical, and is roundly ridiculed by farmers for doing so.
3) Said chemical is banned.
4) Farmers say, whenever they are criticised for using whatever comes along next, "oh it's ok, we used to use nasty things like xxx but we recognised that it was dangerous so we dont allow it in the UK anymore, todays chemicals are totally different and perfectly safe".
So it will be with glyphosate.
SilliamWhale
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I think you are guilt of mythologising something here and its not a rational process. Thus far it doesn't appear glyphosate is particularly toxic - new techniques may reveal something and we need to be open minded. You also need to remember the environmental movement isn't a perfect movement either - they've been wrong before and there are also many ideologues within it.
Farmers use chemicals as tools. Til someone invents something better than a hammer a carpenter will use a hammer (maybe the nailgun?). Just because something says "chemical" it doesn't mean its bad and nasty and naughty. We may manage our way away from roundup yet
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https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1D916C
Doesn't take long to find a study of ag workers cancer rate vs general population but it's a little inconvenient for the antis.
It's a depressing future lau ahead when emotion and conspiracy theories when over the cold boring truth of reality.
For a lot of people I think they are underwhelmed with there lot in life so it's easy to believe that there is some dark government keeping everything a secret and in fact things are just like they seem in the movies.
Edit; just because I believe it to be safe doesn't mean I think over use or misuse of it is ok. Used correctly it is a fantastic tool.
Doesn't take long to find a study of ag workers cancer rate vs general population but it's a little inconvenient for the antis.
It's a depressing future lau ahead when emotion and conspiracy theories when over the cold boring truth of reality.
For a lot of people I think they are underwhelmed with there lot in life so it's easy to believe that there is some dark government keeping everything a secret and in fact things are just like they seem in the movies.
Edit; just because I believe it to be safe doesn't mean I think over use or misuse of it is ok. Used correctly it is a fantastic tool.
I may - or may not - agree with you re glyphosate.
However, do you agree with me that that is how things happen ? ie farmers embrace a chemical, ridicule those who oppose it, and then agree that it was a nasty that deserved to be banned once something else comes along.
SilliamWhale
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Actually no I don't. Give me some examples of what you mean
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