Moving to a new Mac.

[Dry Rot]

I kept getting messages on my MacPro infiorming me that my browser was out of date and software couldn't be updated because the computer itself was too old. So I bought a reasonably uptodate iMac running High Sierra.

So now I find that the new Mac won't run the old software, so I have TWO Macs on my desk, running side by side!

If anyone is considering buying a Mac, I really wouldn't recommend it. They are just a money making scam. I was just about getting my head around Final Cut Pro 7 for video editing when I discover it has been superceded by Final Cut Pro X which is completely different, so I need to start learning all over again (not easy at my age). Dreamweaver CS4 won't run either. I am sure there will be more.

<sigh>

 

[Bomber_Harris]

Adobe Premier Pro > Final Cut Pro X imo

and you're right about Macs, I have both iMacs and Windows (and even some Linux machines) and when you compare the spec of a mac it doesn't match up to what you can buy for same money or less on a Windows machine

 

[deleted user 837354]

Unfortunately you have reached that point in time whereby the hardware is probably running like clockwork but the software has reached its end game- software that can no longer be updated or patched may constitute a security risk and is best avoided on machines connected to the web.

Learning new software isn't so bad, your local college might run classes for mature learners or you may be able to find someone who can tutor you privately.

I have never liked apple products because of their Itunes store and how Apple insist on running their ecosystem. I also find their user interface a pain in the backside and illogical. At least with MS and Android you can install or remove or move files at a whim. Apple products do look very shiny and cool but come with a heft price tag that I don't feel is justified. MS do make some very nice hardware now that has the internals to match any Apple product and give them a run for their money, the only difference is in marketing.

 

[Dry Rot]

I started using a Mac when I was editing videos as they are meant to be good with graphics (photos and video). No complaints on that score but they are really over kill for what I want. And once you've learn how to use one, changing back to Windows is not so easy.

Well, having Googled and learnt that Dreamweaver CS4 doesn't work in High Sierra, I seem to have managed to move all the files over to work in CS6, so all is not lost! Google also says you are meant to be able to link two Macs together and use the second one as an external hard drive. I've worked out how to do that, but it seems you can't then connect to the internet because you lose a connector. I'm afraid they just annoy me. It took a while to find the stupid on/off button on the back which is designed so you can't find it!

I'll probably struggle on but at nearly 80 I am a bit past going off to college again, if there was such a thing in the Scottish Highlands! Just indulging in a bit of moaning really. Macs do seem to be designed to become obsolete just when you're getting the hang of them.

 

[Deereone]

My Mac book pro will be 10yrs old in June. I think it is too old for Mohave. It has certainly paid for itself and I will (in time) go for the same again.

 

[deleted user 837354]

I started using a Mac when I was editing videos as they are meant to be good with graphics (photos and video). No complaints on that score but they are really over kill for what I want. And once you've learn how to use one, changing back to Windows is not so easy.

Well, having Googled and learnt that Dreamweaver CS4 doesn't work in High Sierra, I seem to have managed to move all the files over to work in CS6, so all is not lost! Google also says you are meant to be able to link two Macs together and use the second one as an external hard drive. I've worked out how to do that, but it seems you can't then connect to the internet because you lose a connector. I'm afraid they just annoy me. It took a while to find the stupid on/off button on the back which is designed so you can't find it!

I'll probably struggle on but at nearly 80 I am a bit past going off to college again, if there was such a thing in the Scottish Highlands! Just indulging in a bit of moaning really. Macs do seem to be designed to become obsolete just when you're getting the hang of them.

This is the problem, Apple sell you a machine in a standardised box with standardised bits and put a munter of a price tag on it. At least on PC with windows or Linux you can have whatever case and motherboard you like, with all in one type machines you never have enough ports; they want to sell you special connectors, hubs and boxes and other riffraff for serious sticker prices.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Sticker price doesn’t really bother me too much, I place more importance on the reliability, integration and day to day better experience.

I generally seem to be able to get pretty decent money when I come to sell either my MacBooks or iPhones.

I’ve had a couple of the years, typically keep them for around 5 years or so on “front line” duty and then move them on, or they get passed on to the kids.

Run of the mill PCs are by and large generally worthless after 5?or so years. You can’t really give them away.

Don’t worry I’m reasonably fluent in Linux and big Windows tin too, and I’ve been around computers and networking in various forms since the days of DOS 4/5 and 10Base5 and 2. So I’m not just a another pathetic / apologetic Apple fan boy. They just work for me in my circumstances.

 

[Cowabunga]

I started using a Mac when I was editing videos as they are meant to be good with graphics (photos and video). No complaints on that score but they are really over kill for what I want. And once you've learn how to use one, changing back to Windows is not so easy.

Well, having Googled and learnt that Dreamweaver CS4 doesn't work in High Sierra, I seem to have managed to move all the files over to work in CS6, so all is not lost! Google also says you are meant to be able to link two Macs together and use the second one as an external hard drive. I've worked out how to do that, but it seems you can't then connect to the internet because you lose a connector. I'm afraid they just annoy me. It took a while to find the stupid on/off button on the back which is designed so you can't find it!

I'll probably struggle on but at nearly 80 I am a bit past going off to college again, if there was such a thing in the Scottish Highlands! Just indulging in a bit of moaning really. Macs do seem to be designed to become obsolete just when you're getting the hang of them.

Its not so much that it won't work with High Sierra. The problem is that your 32 bit software possibly doesn't work on the 64 bit machine, or something similar. I think it must be nearly ten years since they changed from PowerPC to Intel architecture and, having just found the link below, I can say that they stopped supporting PowerPC based software back in 2011. Your old machine and/or software must have been made in 2005 or earlier, so I reckon you have had a damn good run for your money. Thirteen years plus! Yes? Try running a modern Microsoft program on a Windows Vista computer and see how far you will get.

Apple's_transition_to_Intel_processors

 

[Cowabunga]

My Mac book pro will be 10yrs old in June. I think it is too old for Mohave. It has certainly paid for itself and I will (in time) go for the same again.

I suspect that it will upgrade to High Sierra 10.13.6 with no bother if it has 4Gig RAM and plenty of space on the hard drive. You can try and if it doesn't, it doesn't and no harm done. As always, back up your files to Time Machine and the Cloud first.

 

[Dry Rot]

I suspect that it will upgrade to High Sierra 10.13.6 with no bother if it has 4Gig RAM and plenty of space on the hard drive. You can try and if it doesn't, it doesn't and no harm done. As always, back up your files to Time Machine and the Cloud first.

Just having a rant, really. Old brains don't re-train that easily and I don't speak American (which IS a different language!). Why they have to change things that work perfectly well, I don't understand. Well, I suppose I do really as it is all to do with marketting and 'built in obsolescence'! Very annoying anyway. I am still using Quicken98 on the PC next door which is not connected to the Internet. It works well enough for me as I have officially ceased trading and given up VAT registration but do need a record in case I am asked.

Dreamweaver worked fine until I tried to 'put' the revised page, but it seems that's because Dreamweaver doesn't know where things belong on the 'new' computer, which is fair enough.

 

[Clive]

Sticker price doesn’t really bother me too much, I place more importance on the reliability, integration and day to day better experience.

I generally seem to be able to get pretty decent money when I come to sell either my MacBooks or iPhones.

I’ve had a couple of the years, typically keep them for around 5 years or so on “front line” duty and then move them on, or they get passed on to the kids.

Run of the mill PCs are by and large generally worthless after 5?or so years. You can’t really give them away.

Don’t worry I’m reasonably fluent in Linux and big Windows tin too, and I’ve been around computers and networking in various forms since the days of DOS 4/5 and 10Base5 and 2. So I’m not just a another pathetic / apologetic Apple fan boy. They just work for me in my circumstances.

^this !

I run mac and PC's

a few years ago the macs were way ahead - windows vista and 7 etc were utter junk compared to apple OSX at the time

today there is nothing in it w10pro is as good as OSX

Hardware wise the apple kit leagues ahead but it bloody well should be at the p[rice, it lasts and has residual value and I wouldn't really consider any other phone or laptop personally as a result

 

[deleted user 837354]

The idea that Apple hardware is better in any way is erroneous. The internals of most Apple machines aren't even that hot. The only difference is that they come in pretty boxes. Even the peripherals are weak.

Check out the Microsoft surface range of machinery. Blows anything Apple out of the weeds. I bet even today you can't buy an Apple with the power of my PC.

 

[Bomber_Harris]

The idea that Apple hardware is better in any way is erroneous. The internals of most Apple machines aren't even that hot. The only difference is that they come in pretty boxes. Even the peripherals are weak.

Check out the Microsoft surface range of machinery. Blows anything Apple out of the weeds. I bet even today you can't buy an Apple with the power of my PC.

absolutely spot-on. If you need a rig that has serious processing power a high-end PC absolutely blows the Mac not only out of the weeds but also into the next county

I'm not totally anti-Mac, they do have their advantages. I have a team of graphic designers and iMacs are their preferred tool, as is mine if I'm quickly putting together some Brexit-themed photoshopped image to annoy you. The large high-res monitor that you get with an iMac is tailor-made for graphic design and video editing

However, I also have two design engineers on high spec i7 PCs with high-end Nvida graphics cards. They use a CAD software package called Creo Parametric (formerly known as Pro Engineer) and that software suite requires some serious grunt to render their 3D models, just like those high-end gaming rigs. Ever seen a super high-spec bespoke water-cooled gaming rig that was based on a Mac? nope, me neither

 

[Ukjay]

OK, so with all the people who say the Windows systems are as good / or better, could someone please let me know of a laptop that is 15" minimum screen size, thin chassis, not made of thin flimsy cheap plastic and has a great battery life that does not deminish to quick.

I have not read of one that actually lasts to the stated time when using it heavily - nor even getting the times stated when surfing etc.

I am not an Apple lover - but I have used one for a year now since we swapped our Daughters gear as I could not find a laptop with any useful battery life, so I would be interested to know which ones (and I do not want a touch screen, as they really pee me off when you view smear marks etc).

 

[Clive]

OK, so with all the people who say the Windows systems are as good / or better, could someone please let me know of a laptop that is 15" minimum screen size, thin chassis, not made of thin flimsy cheap plastic and has a great battery life that does not deminish to quick.

I have not read of one that actually lasts to the stated time when using it heavily - nor even getting the times stated when surfing etc.

I am not an Apple lover - but I have used one for a year now since we swapped our Daughters gear as I could not find a laptop with any useful battery life, so I would be interested to know which ones (and I do not want a touch screen, as they really pee me off when you view smear marks etc).

A surface is the best of the widows laptops - but they cost Mac book pro money really

 

[deleted user 837354]

A surface is the best of the widows laptops - but they cost Mac book pro money really

Their internals are pretty potent mind. Even the lower end ones are no slouch.

 

[Ukjay]

A surface is the best of the widows laptops - but they cost Mac book pro money really

But they are touch screen / tablet system are they not, plus I didn't think they did 15" screen

 

[Clive]

But they are touch screen / tablet system are they not, plus I didn't think they did 15" screen

You don’t have to use the touch screen ! They have a keyboard as well

Not sure on screen size - I like a 13” laptop personally